Rich Vail Fund Manager Hits Cyclist And Runs, Gets Off Because Charges Might "Jeopardize His Job"

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With a few exceptions, you have to be poor to be sent to prison. It really should be no surprise that rich people are not sent to prison in a country where money is god.

And make no mistake: bishops control an enormous amount of wealth. It may not be in their own name, but they control it and spend it and make use of it. Once in a while a church figure or a rich person screws up so bad they have to send him to prison, but by and large, you don't get sent to prison for killing someone, or for stealing, or for selling drugs; you get sent to prison for being poor. Prison is really not about crime at all.

 

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There are plenty more people who get off easy. Compared to a number of cases in my region, your bishop was treated quite harshly.

I'm thinking of a leader of a different religious group who, after previously injuring a cyclist, was gabbing on his cell phone when he killed a high level city employee in a crosswalk and received half as much probation, half as much community service, had to pay the victim's medical and funeral costs, but kept his career and received a replacement car from his flock. Considering his lengthy driving record, they should have given him annual bus passes.

Also, a spouse of a police office, recommended by the state patrol for four counts of vehicular homicide for a crash while gabbing on her cell phone, was deemed as 'speeding but not "tremendously" over the limit' and ended up with a $490 negligent-driving citation. The deaths were described as a civil matter, with no reference to unrelated court decisions that effectively meant everyone with legal standing to file such a suit, was killed in the crash.

After the prosecutor in question died, a local paper ran a laundry list of other cases where local VIPs got off easy or free for a variety of crimes. But killers of cyclists still get off easy throughout the state because many prosecutors believe that juries will not convict.

 

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As far as churches, lets not forget the Mormon's ties to organized crime in Vegas and Reno. Or the Mennonite Mob funneling drugs and money up into the US and Canada from Mexico and Bolivia, and Paraguay.

 

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Danny White got two years for the murder of those two men.

It was another travesty of justice and proof that the jury pool is filled with mindless nincompoops that are unattached to reality.

 

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I can believe Mormon ties to the mob, but a Mennonite Mafia I have a real hard time believing. There are not many religious denominations I respect, but the Mennonites are an exception.

 

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The Mennonites recognize that their brand has a problem.
http://www.mennonitechurch.ca/files/resources/equipping/47/NighswanderLetterJun04.pdf

I respect their openness in admitting to a problem with parts of their brand.:rockon:

 

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Gosh! It does seem that they're addressing it, though. The Mennonites I worked for in North Dakota were really good people.

 

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Mennonites do a very good job of covering up their problems. Check out

mennonite cover up

I really do not believe they are any worse than any other organized religion: money, gangs, murder, drugs, etc

However I do beleive they are far more concerned with "rebranding" than with dealing with real issues, especially the problems in the Bolivian colonies and the grow ops in Ontario

 

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I knew it.

 

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There are many different sects. Some not so wonderful.

The Old Colony Mennonites I spent a few hours with one on a farm in Mexico (Northern Chihuahua near Cuauhtemoc), (sp?) creeped me out. Caution: I was there as a tourist so naturally got a very limited view of life there.

One thing that stood out and was confirmed by our guide was that the women for the most part only got a limited elementary school education and weren't fluent in Spanish or English, they were stuck with the Mennonite form of German living in the country in Mexico with no place to go and no way out. They looked fat, dumb and unhappy.

 

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The family I worked for sent their kids to public school, worked hard, and were honest and kind. Since it was a dairy farm, they had to do chores every day. But even in harvest season, when other farmers and their farm hands worked 7 days a week, we never did field work on Sundays and I always had the day off. They did the hardest, dirtiest work themselves, and it was only occasionally, when they had to be doing something else, that I had to shovel out the milk parlor. The day they slaughtered geese, I was given my choice: I could help with the geese, or clean out the milk parlor. I chose the milk parlor because I didn't want to participate in killing, but it was my choice. They were young-Earth creationists, but NEVER tried to force their views on me, and never even talked about it unless I asked. And as I mentioned above, when I asked them outright if they thought I was going to hell, they said it was none of their business to even speculate on such matters. They lived by their own rules, and were completely non-judgmental concerning others.

Obviously, not everyone who calls himself a Mennonite will be like these folks. But all the Mennonites in the area seemed to be like them.

Oh, and unlike the Amish, these Mennonites used all the modern machinery. Well, their tractors were pretty old, but you know what I mean.

 

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One of the reasons the Old Colony Mennonites are in Mexico are there is that they couldn't abide by Canadian law so they left Canada. Old Colony is one of the more conservative branches. They did use machinery and drive cars, black and with the chrome painted black.

They have their problems, they have also accomplished a lot through hard work and organization.

I think those folk were very different than the ones you worked for.

 

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Yes, I'm sure. The North Dakota Mennonites had no issues about living in the mainstream society. They taught their kids in Church that evolution didn't happen, but they had no objection to their kids learning about it in school. They seemed to regard biology class the way I regard comparative religions. "This is what other folks believe." It didn't bother them to learn what we "believe." Even though they didn't believe it themselves. It all seemed to be part of their openness and non-judgmentalism. They felt they knew what god wanted of them, but they did not claim to know what god wanted of anybody else. They seemed comfortable with the possibility that what god wanted them to believe was not the same as what god wanted me to believe.

 

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Close.

Sadly, our government and giant multinational corporations are one in the same today - so you are half right.

-Brad

 

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The Amish "rejection" of technology strikes me as either not well considered or arbitrary (or both) because they employ technology (as we all do) in most of their lives. Anything beyond running naked in the veldt and eating plants or animals subdued, killed & eaten with nothing more than bare hands involves the use of technology.

Now, as I understand it, the Amish reject "technology" because they view it as taking pride in "man's" capacities and not properly genuflective of "god's" glory & wonder. But who's to say building a farm and implements to conduct organized agriculture (as opposed to just plucking the wild fruits of the earth) isn't just as "prideful" as using a Chevy pickup instead of a horse drawn wagon? To my eye the whole thing is arbitrary.

I very much admire the Amish commitment to non-violence and having found ways (presumably) to adjudicate the infinite conflicts of socially organized life without resort to mayhem (we could learn a lot from them there), but I doubt their having set their technological threshold at 1750 (or wherever it falls) makes their humaneness more or less possible.

 

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got mennonites?

Funny how our discussions evolve.

 

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I don't know any Amish. The Mennonites I worked for used all available technology, though they could not afford the most expensive farm equipment. So what I am about to say about the Amish is pure speculation:

Maybe their reason is not the rejection of technology as such, but rather living as simply as they can.

Rejecting some technology (horse-drawn carriages and plows, hand tools for building, lanterns, etc.) would reduce their lives from basic to destitute. They don't want to be destitute, but they want to live as close to basic as they can. So they make considered decisions about what technology is necessary, and what is superfluous. I believe they even have councils to decide whether a proposed item is necessary or mere luxury.

They are not after maximum efficiency. They are after salvation. They reject anything they feel would distract them from that. The Buddha rejected both extremes of wealth and poverty. He advocated a simple lifestyle, giving up as much as possible without reducing oneself to destitution or starvation. I think he'd have approved of the Amish.

You know, I really think I am right about this. They don't reject technology. They reject whatever they decide is excessive, whether in technology or lifestyle.

 

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good to see you giving an opinion on a subject you admit you know nothing about. makes me feel better about myself.