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2005 dead battery dangers?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by PriBeeee, Jan 12, 2011.

  1. PriBeeee

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    I've spent an hour searching related posts and can't find answers to my questions. Hopefully someone will read this and can help. I apologize for the length of the post; I didn't want to leave out any important details.

    I went out to start my 2005 Prius which was working 100% fine when I drove it yesterday. At first, nothing at all happened, on the second try, all the dash icons (including the red SRS) lit up, but the car DID start. I put it in reverse and backed it up and turned it off. When I got out, it beeped as it does if I walk away with the key when it's running, except it wasn't running. I got in and tried to start it, only this time all the icons lit up again, but the car wouldn't start. I tried again, and nothing happened. Absolutely nothing. No lights, no sounds, nothing. I read several posts here and decided to try charging the battery. (My battery charger is a working 15-yr-old 2/10/60 battery charger/engine starter/battery tester.) When I hooked up the contacts and turned on the charger to the 10A setting, the needle popped into the red (test) area and stayed there for about one minute, then flipped into the yellow (charging) area and the car made a very brief "engine sound." After 15-20 seconds, the needle jumped back into the red (weak test) area. The charger has been hooked up now for about 30 minutes, and the leads feel VERY warm. At the beginning of the charge, the dash icons lit up for a fraction of a second and the door warning sounded when I opened the door, but now there is nothing. I don't want to damage anything by trying to start the car using the ENGINE START setting on the battery charger, but I live way out in the country and don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a tow, either. My two main questions are:

    1. Should I try to start the car using the ENGINE START setting on the battery charger?

    2. Am I likely to damage the battery if I continue to charge it on the 10A setting for a few hours?

    Thanks for any help and information anyone can share.
     
  2. jdenenberg

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    DON"T - The little 12v battery should be charged at 2 amps or below. More than that will quickly ruin the battery.

    The startup load is low - a short (a few seconds) 20-30 amp pull to run a pump and then just enough to boot the computers. Once the computers start, the inverter provides just under 14 volts to slowly charge the battery (and run the electronics (up to 100 amps at 13.8 volts).

    I hope that you connected your charger in the correct polarity. A reverse polarity jump can cause severe damage to the inverter (and/or blow the 100 amp fuse).

    JeffD
     
  3. PriBeeee

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    Thanks for the information. I changed to the 2V setting on the charger, but after over an hour, the needle has gone more into the red, if anything. There are no lights or sounds at all when I open the door and try to start the car. I'm assuming that something would've happened by now, if the battery weren't completely "gone." I didn't ask before, but can the car be jumped if the battery is completely dead?

    Thanks again.
     
  4. Patrick Wong

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    I really think you should replace the 12V battery now. It sounds like your battery charger is in distress, probably because the battery has one or more shorted cells. I would not try to jumpstart the car, knowing that the 12V battery is in that condition.
     
  5. PriBeeee

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    I definitely intend to replace the 12V battery if it proves to be bad. What I'd like to avoid is having to crawl into the back of the car to unhook the hatch, especially since the 20# jugs and cat litter and 50# bags of dog food are still in there from my shopping trip yesterday. I was hoping someone would tell me it'd be safe to jump the car and have it run long enough to open the hatch, but I guess that's not an option?

    Thanks again.
     
  6. Patrick Wong

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    I don't think it is safe to jump the car because it sounds like your 12V battery is acting like a short circuit. It is not holding enough charge to turn on the cabin lights, you say that the charger leads are heating up (which shows excess current flow), and the charger's meter is reading abnormally.

    If you try to jumpstart the car, depending upon the condition of the donor vehicle's battery, there's some possibility that you may blow a major fuse, like the 100A MAIN fuse in the positive terminal fuse block. Therefore, I suggest that you assume that the 12V battery is bad. Make arrangements to open the hatch manually and replace the battery before attempting to start the car. Good luck.