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Prius Virgin, Good Deal or Lemon? Possible Bad Battery and Intermittent Blower Fan

Discussion in 'Newbie Forum' started by BentSpace, Jan 22, 2011.

  1. BentSpace

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    Hello, all. Very excited, just bought my first Prius, a Gen I - 2002 a couple days ago. Thus end a long era of Geo Metro driving and finally joining the rest of the world in the 21 century. Found it on craigslist advertised for $3,800. Got the guy to come down to $2,500. Wanted to get a Gen II, but there seemed to be a huge price gap between the Gen I and Gen II and at this point I thought I would start out with this one, though I have my eye out for a good deal on a Gen II. Somewhat strange circumstances as it was for sale at a salvage yard and he didn't have the title in hand, though, he had some other paperwork from the dmv. Couldn't understand the exact circumstances as to how he acquired the car, my friend thinks he said lien sale. He said he turned in the title already to put it in his name, so he sent me to this other lady operating some sort of DMV service out of an office trailer in another salvage yard to transfer it to my name. Today I went back and picked up my plates and stickers. I know your probably thinking this sounds pretty shady, which was what I was thinking, kept trying to figure out what the scam was. But I decide to take a chance and go through with it. I signed up on Toyota.com with the VIN and it gave me the whole service history, which revealed some good, some bad. The good, serviced exclusively and regularly at the dealer the original owner bought it from up until the 12th of this month. Did many extra services like engine flush and fuel line flush or something like that. The bad, went in at least 4 times for problems with the air conditioning system. Which is still problematic as the fan was not coming on at all, until just tonight when it came on for the first time. Was somewhat relieved when I checked and verified that both heat and A/C were working. I checked all the fuses, all looked good.

    Any idea what would cause an intermittent blower fan problem?

    The other bad was the last record of service which says:

    01/12/2011
    CHECK ENGINE LIGHT CHECK ENGINE LIGHT ~|~CUSTOMER STATES THAT THE WARNING LIGHTS WERE ON SINCE FRIDAY DROVE IN AND LIGHT WENT OUT CHECK AND ADVISE ~|~ ~|~P3000-9 BATTERY LEAKING $3720.00
    CUSTOMER PAY

    Which I asked the dealer today about and they said it means the original owner took the car in because the check engine light was on, they read the codes and P3000-P3009 came out which is indicative of the hybrid battery leaking (which he said means leaking voltage, not battery acid) and is bad and needs to be changed. They owner declined to pay the $3720 to change the battery. So at this point not so sure if my good deal is that great anymore. Wanted to verify the battery pack is actually bad as the check engine light or any other warning light hasn't come on since I have owned. Took it to Autozone and was sad to find out that they no longer will read out error codes for free as they were apparently sued by the people who charge people for this service.

    Can I read out all the errors my self with a standard OBD II reader or is there some information that only Toyota can read with a special reader?

    Is there any other way to tell if my battery pack is bad?

    Already found 1 salvage yard that might have one for $500, but is it a good idea to get one from a salvage yard?

    They said if I install it and it's no good they would refund my money. Toyota wants $2,300 for one.

    Was this a good deal or did I get ripped off?

    Please excuse my ignorance as I am only a 2 day old Prius noob, but already I'm addicted. And thanks in advances for any guidance
     
  2. Flaninacupboard

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    You can either get a salvaged pack, or a rebuilt pack (look for reinvolt) for not much more. If that's the only problem then i think you have a decent deal, since the guy clearly sold it cheap as he thought it was worthless.
     
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    Read up a few days before buying the salvage unit. There is a lot of good advice spread around here in past threads. I think you will want a rebuilt battery from any of several suppliers, or do one yourself from a pair of salvage Gen2 battery packs, instead of an aging Gen1 pack.
     
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    First thing I want to do is make sure it's actually bad or going bad. Is there anything you can to stop it from going bad like cleaning off the corrosion or something?

    From reading some of the posts on here is sounds like Toyota sometimes jumps the gun in recommending a new traction battery, when it may not actually be bad. So I definitely want to make sure, especially since none of the warning lights are on.

    Is it possible that the seller could have disabled the warning lights in order to sell the car?

    Because I know for sure that they took it into Toyota and were told the battery is bad.

    Also I read somewhere that when the main battery goes you can no longer start the car. Is that true and something that can happen quickly or does it die slowly?

    Thank you for your kind help.
     
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    Today I scanned my car's computer with an ODB II scanner and it didn't find any DTC's stored in there.

    Anyone know why the DTC's P3000-P3009 would have been on a week before I bought it and now they are all gone and haven't come back?

    What do P3000-P3009 mean exactly, please?

    Thank you.
     
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    I am dealing with all of the same as you would find if you had read my thread. Have you solved your problem? I have a Gen 1 also bought in a fairly shady beginning, and it's good of you to research since I have already dumped in at least 1,000 and still have the same problem. All I could get out of the dealer was that the same codes mean leak and something about the ECU. I started a thread because I am learning but need to find out if the ECU will be included with a replacement (rebuilt gen 2) battery back since someone told me it won't, and I know for sure the harness that plugs into the ECU is burnt. You are at least lucky not to have warning lights on! Mine didn't come on until about a week after I bought the car and have been on ever since with breaks in resetting them.
    Beware though, I have stopped driving excet for small trips because the other day my car would not accelerate on a high mph trip, and I had to pull over scared to death. It restarted and ran but I consider myself warned. Spendy little car to fix and not much knowledge around since I don't trust my dealership to explain truthfully!
     
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    To the OP High voltage leak is referring to high voltage leak to ground which is caused by a bad (exposed)motor winding in the transmission. Its referred to as a winding 'blowout". Its a transmission failure not a battery failure although your battery may be toast too from age or leaking electrolyte which corrodes the buss bars and battery connections. Common issue with gen 1.

    This failure is also sometimes evidenced by an ominous hum coming from pass side front wheel assy.
    You can somtimes drive for quite a while with a blown winding until it starts to throw successive codes and then it will eventually not drive anymore. Dopn't take any long trips and join AAA lol.

    Please go to lusciousgarage.com . They have alot of info on this partucluar issue on a Gen 1 and how they repair it.

    God luck!
     
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    Thank you for the response, I will visit the link. So does it mean I need a new transmission or that this issue can be repaired for a lesser cost?
     
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    No you proabably need a new trans. But, Luscious has come up wth a nifty partial incar repair of the MG affected but I do not know where you live since you did not fill out your profile.
     
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    Just updated it, sorry. Tampa, FL
     
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    Oh I live in Clearwater. Howdee! RNC sucks!!
     
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    Sure does. Do you have someone around here that works on this model and/or where I can get parts?
     
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    Doesn't a new transmission cost like 3000? I love how people on here can be so aloof sometimes although many more are helpful. A few act like I am crazy for needing to draw the line somewhere, I am not going to spend 6000 in repairs on a 4400 car!
     
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    Sorry Pristina but got a little mixed up here thought I was talking to the OP but I just re-read your hijack and you may have different problem than the OP. What ECU harness is burnt? And do you have the codes that the car throws?
     
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    Apparently Toyota got p-3000 and p-30009.
    The "burnt harness" was seen by an outside source who pulled the battery out, looked at, and tested the cells. He couldn't see any damage from the outside except the partially blackened harness and corresponding part where it plugs into the ECU. He cleaned all visible corrosion with electrolyte cleaner, said my cells were all normal voltage and to look for a replacement harness.
    When I tracked one down in Cali, the owner of that shop said those harness wires affected would have corresponding damaged cells and would show (even if only in between) even if they tested well. Unfortunately, he both fell through for the part and told me this after the battery was back in the car, so I haven't proved his theory true or false yet.
     
  16. BentSpace

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    Well, now I have sold that car, but not because it gave me any trouble. Actually despite that ominous error codes which were never fixed, in the records, no warning lights ever came on while I had the car and it seemed to be working fine and I put a lot of miles on it around town and cross country. Guess I lucked out on that one. So maybe the lesson there is, when Toyota says your car needs $3,700 in repair, like they did on mine, make sure it really needs it, cause at least in this case it seems not.

    Also the p-3000 and p-30009 have to do with the battery and not the transmission, as far as I know. Not sure why you would need a new transmission, might need a new battery though or could be something related to the battery such as wiring. In my case seemed to have been triggered for no reason.
     
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