Jesse Ventura sues the TSA for violating the Constitution

scanners should be built to detonate any type explosive material carried thru the scanners...it might be a bit messy, but not as bad as 9/11.....

 

Too late. The bad guys moved on to binary products, inert at the security checkpoints then mixed later. That contributed to the 3 ounce liquid limit several years ago.

 

thbjr, meet hidyho.

 

...and then take it outside, please.



Tom

 

You seem kinda grouchy, too. Hopefully tonight you'll get a better sleep.

 

No I'm not for open borders, I've just seen your kind way too often these days, screaming at the top of your lungs that something has to be done, spend this, build this, invade that, then when the bill comes due, I don't want my taxes raised. Then spending all the time complaining that you don't want to be screened or violated by the mean old government, but when something happens, people like you demanding something be done.

What needs to happen with the border and illegals is really pretty simple, just no one is willing to push for it, and politicians don't want to tackle it, both parties.

1. Bring the troops home, station them along both borders and do patrols and normal training exercises along them.

2. Create a time frame when all illegals need to be registered, given a set time to leave or a orderly process to become citizens, with a series of fines and education in English.
(I would add an amendment or law that English is the official language of the United States)

3. If an illegal doesn't get registered by set time, they will be deported immediately and all property confiscated.

4. Arrest and throw in jail any employer who hires an illegal.

5. One parent must be a US citizen for any child to be considered a US citizen if born in the US.

6. Done, in the can, money rolling in, problem on the way to being solved.

 

Maybe because I live fairly close to it, I was thinking more of the Northern border. US/Canada security has also been in the news a fair bit recently, what with recent talks happening between our leaders. A fair pile of money has been spent on this side in the past few years to increase traffic flow to the border. The greater the volume of goods flowing South, the greater the payments flowing North. That works both ways. (And yes, I'm thinking legal trade.)

I was also including tourism in a loose definition of trade. Personally, I've changed holiday plans before because of border restrictions, as have many people I know. People would visit more often, and spend more money, if crossing the border were not so onerous and restrictive. I'm not sure what the recent US figures are for tourism, but people in the industry here tell me travel to the US is down, and people often cite getting groped at the airport as their reason for going elsewhere.

So, that's why I was saying I think increasingly restrictive security measures - especially a fence along what was once the longest undefended border in the world - hampers trade.

 

Northern border (in)security very definitely puts a damper on ordinary tourism and shopping in both directions.

On this side, border agents claim authority to stop and check anyone within 100 miles of the border, and they are not subject to the same rules and limitations as other law enforcement. While the Peace Arch crossing is more than 100 road miles from Seattle, Victoria Harbour and the beautiful BC Parliament are much closer by air.

In fact, as best I can determine, the Washington State Capitol in Olympia is only 98 air miles from Parliament. Your skin is slightly too brown. Your papers, please.

 

I've seen your kind way too often, not my kind, I understand the situation much more then you do, you agree to my points because they are the correct points, most people seeing them would agree, they just don't know how to deal with them, many like you go off the deep end without regard to actually fixing anything. Just look at your bus thread as a good example.

Here is the problem, while there is a correct way to fix things, the public has gotten very ignorant in understanding that, and seems to pick the incorrect way all the time these days, its very strange to watch, and sad to see happen to America. I've seen it happen for a very long time, the biggest change began to happen in the 1980's, an acquiescence to politicians to control their beliefs, setting the stage for what we have today.

 

this makes too much sense, never happen.

 

Here is another example of how big the problem is with immigration, its all about money and power, yet the average person thinks it can be fixed with Berlin Walls, which even that was breached a lot, and there was a huge smuggling operation during that. Berlin Walls simply are pleasing the masses or political elite, they don't really accomplish anything.

Illegal immigration: Influx of immigrants from India baffles border officials in Texas - latimes.com

Thousands of immigrants from India have crossed into the United States illegally at the southern tip of Texas in the last year, part of a mysterious and rapidly growing human-smuggling pipeline that is backing up court dockets, filling detention centers and triggering investigations.

The immigrants, mostly young men from poor villages, say they are fleeing religious and political persecution. More than 1,600 Indians have been caught since the influx began here early last year, while an undetermined number, perhaps thousands, are believed to have sneaked through undetected, according to U.S. border authorities.

Hundreds have been released on their own recognizance or after posting bond. They catch buses or go to local Indian-run motels before flying north for the final leg of their months-long journeys.

"It was long … dangerous, very dangerous," said one young man wearing a turban outside the bus station in the Rio Grande Valley town of Harlingen.

The Indian migration in some ways mirrors the journeys of previous waves of immigrants from far-flung places, such as China and Brazil, who have illegally crossed the U.S. border here. But the suddenness and still-undetermined cause of the Indian migration baffles many border authorities and judges.

The trend has caught the attention of anti-terrorism officials because of the pipeline's efficiency in delivering to America's doorstep large numbers of people from a troubled region. Authorities interview the immigrants, most of whom arrive with no documents, to ensure that people from neighboring Pakistan or Middle Eastern countries are not slipping through.

There is no evidence that terrorists are using the smuggling pipeline, FBI and Department of Homeland Security officials said.

The influx shows signs of accelerating: About 650 Indians were arrested in southern Texas in the last three months of 2010 alone. Indians are now the largest group of immigrants other than Latin Americans being caught at the Southwest border.

The migration is the "most significant" human-smuggling trend being tracked by U.S. authorities, said Kumar Kibble, deputy director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE. In 2009, the Border Patrol arrested only 99 Indians along the entire Southwest border.

"It's a dramatic increase," Kibble said. "We do want to monitor these pipelines and shut them down because it is a vulnerability. They could either knowingly or unknowingly smuggle people into the U.S. that pose a national security threat."

Most of the immigrants say they are from the Punjab or Gujarat states. They are largely Sikhs who say they face religious persecution, or members of the Bharatiya Janata Party who say they are targeted for beatings by members of the National Congress Party.

But analysts and human rights monitors say political conditions in India don't explain the migration. There is no evidence of the kind of persecution that would prompt a mass exodus, they say, and Sikhs haven't been targets since the 1980s. The prime minister of India, Manmohan Singh, is a Sikh.

"There is no reason to believe these claims have any truth to them," said Sumit Ganguly, a political science professor and director of the India Studies Program at Indiana University.

Some authorities think the immigrants are simply seeking economic opportunities and are willing to pay $12,000 to $20,000 to groups that smuggle them to staging grounds in northern Mexico. Kibble said smugglers may have shifted to the Southwest after ICE dismantled visa fraud rings that brought Indians to the Northeast.


I would ask, why are they being allowed to wander the country after being captured, and its the same with Cubans, we had a whole bunch of them come ashore here one time, immigration simply talked to them and then gave them bus tickets to go where they wanted. The problem is that our laws are directed to one group of people, the public is fixated on one group of people, and not the real problem, employers and political belief, so the problem never gets fixed.

 

New underwear for the scanners

 

I'm more or less disgusted by TSA and most Americans' seeming total apathy toward what it has been doing. Also their ignorance toward the real statistics behind terrorism and the efficacy of measures that TSA takes, it's really quite indefensible, but I've already spent too long on other forums detailing why to get worked up over it here.