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Bus hijacked in N. Carolina, where's the TSA?

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by thbjr, Feb 4, 2011.

  1. thbjr

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    Sorry guys, but I just had to post about this. CNN reported this morning about another nut case that hijacked a Greyhound bus (source). Fortunately no one was injured, but my thoughts immediately went to, "where was the TSA". Doesn't TSA stand for Transportation Safety Authority or is it really Touch Searching for Airlines? This guy was armed with a gun, so he obviously never went through a metal detector. It seems to me that busses, world wide, are a major target of terrorist. Remember 7/7 in London. What were the targets, trains and busses. How many Israeli busses have been blown up? How many European trains? What about the sarin gas attack in the Tokyo subway, to name a few?
    I know, some will argue that the terrorist are targeting trains, subways, busses and even the occasional cruise ship because of soft security and that the TSA is why the airlines enjoy relative security.
    My answer to that is if it is true, and it may well be, are the lives of train and bus travelers worth less that those who travel by air?
    Why isn't there a metal detector and a willing to grope you TSA employee available at every train depot, cruise ship port and bus stop, ready to accost anyone looking suspicious, with the occasional body scanner scattered around?
    But putting security like that at every bus, train and subway stop isn't practical some will say. Why not? There is a stairway leading down to every subway stop isn't there? One doesn't have to look on Google very long to see that trains and busses are terrorist current favorite targets. Again I would pose the question, are the lives of NY subway commuters less valuable than those at JFK?
    As I'm not in NY, or even the eastern seaboard, for those of you that are and occasionally or regularly use the subways or Amtrak trains, have you ever seen a TSA agent ready and willing to profile, question or search you or your luggage, briefcase or purse? Is there even a metal detector and x-ray machine ready to scan your carry ons?
    I can tell you for certain that I've never seen a TSA agent visible at the Phoenix Greyhound hub or the Amtrak station!
    I say if we are going to grope travelers, grope and grope alike, be it for air, sea, rail or road travel.:eek:
     
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    The bus hijacker is now in custody. That's good news. Your point is valid, of course, but I don't know where to draw the line because tax payers will foot the bill for all of this security. To the extent that we now live in fear, I believe the 9/11 terrorists won the war. We now have a taste of real world life as we travel our highways and by-ways. I'm not even sure a person is safe from terrorism while driving their Prius. I'm remembering the gas station shooting victims in the DC/Virginia area so many years ago.

    How should our government keep us safe? We can't become isolationists as that would probably not be good. I hope we don't put out a military presence amongst our citizens. I hope we don't encourage "police states" within our cities. I just don't know what the solution is.

    I do know one thing. I wish Congress would ban the consumer sale of guns, rifles, ammunition, etc. Maybe heavily tax those items much like alcohol and tobacco. Sales of those weapons should be controlled by state/federal sources. If implemented, I don't think it will stop violence, but could at least make it very, very difficult to buy weapons.

    But for now, it's very evident that us citizens must keep our senses alert and be on guard for our well-being.
     
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    If you are willing to pay for it, then by all means push for it, its just a question of money, thus the problem, the correct way to fix things is to spend the right kind of money on the right way, what usually happens, is that the wrong money is spent on the cheapest way possible.
     
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    caffeinekid Duct Tape Extraordinaire

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    The "isolationist" red herring is a classic. That particular flavor of propaganda was lkely created by the same interests that brought us the Hart-Cellar Act. And look at how far our nation has come since the 1960s. Our families are stronger, communities more cohesive, schools safer, language cleaner, "face of our nation" much more recognizable....etc...among other things. Right? ;)

    I am thinking that quite a lot of what the last couple of generations were being shoveled is exactly what our instincts tell us it is. And it ain't "progress".
     
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    LoL! To liberals the solution for every problem is to throw money at it.

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  6. hyo silver

    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    Within the country? No. At the border? Absolutely. Used to be, I could walk up to the counter, buy a ticket, and get on the train. I could just wander around taking pictures, without even having a ticket. Now, the ticket has to be purchased in advance, and I need my passport just to pick it up. There are armed guards, drug-sniffing dogs, scanners and xrays, a long list of prohibited items (including many that may have originated in the US), and the train is completely fenced off from the rest of the yard. (Mexican drug catapults would be useless. :rolleyes:) At the border crossing, the train stops for more US agents, and your belongings and person are subject to search and seizure. I realise your question pertained more to domestic travel, but the fact is, trains and automobiles are treated pretty much the same as planes. Not that anyone could fly their car into a building....
     
  7. Trebuchet

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    WRONG AGAIN! :p

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  8. hyo silver

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    And those aren't even flying cars. :rolleyes:

    OK, how about trains that fly into buildings? Have you got any pictures of those? ;)
     
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    They were when they hit the building. :nod:

    Flying trains, sure . . .



    it's only a matter of time. :rolleyes: