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Ethanol Cure - Star Tron?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by rpeeples, Feb 7, 2011.

  1. rpeeples

    rpeeples Experienced Toyota Owner

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    Since I thoroughly hate ethanol-tainted fuel, I have been looking for some type of alternative when I came across another post that mentioned Star Tron Enzyme Fuel Treatment by Star Brite. Here is a link to their website - Star Tron Enzyme Fuel Treatment

    After reading many positive comments and very few, if any, negative ones, I was wondering if anybody here has had any experience with it? If it is an enzyme, does that mean it "grows" or multiplies inside the fuel tank? I don't see how anything could grow in gasoline, but I suppose it could be possible. The instructions indicate adding only 1 ounce per 16 gallons. That seems to be a minuscule amount.

    Anyway, I bought a bottle of Star Tron today at mal-wart just to try in my '98 4-Runner. I am going to test it before putting some in my Prius. I just wanted to see what other people think about it, without going into a huge discussion about ethanol-tainted fuel. I know, some people love it for whatever reason, while the rest of us hate it for ruining the engines in our older cars, lawn mowers, boat motors, etc. Any comments about Star Tron, good, bad, or ugly would be greatly appreciated!
     
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    What specifically are you worried about ethanol destroying? Have you done the math to determine if this fuel additive will actually save you money by breaking down alcohol that you have already paid for?

    I wouldn't worry about enzymes growing in your tank. Enzymes are a protein and not alive in the general sense. They are produced in cells an used to break down different substances. The product sounds rather odd and designed to prey on people's aversion to ethanol but I'm not a chemist so who knows. :)
     
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    rpeeples,

    I was thinking of staring the same thread, thanks. Is the ethanol reeking havoc on your MPG's? I am averaging in the mid 50's , but I feel even though the sticker on the pump says may contain up to 10% ethanol I don't think it is being added. It's just another expense for the gas stations and something else that must be imported and blended in. As I mentioned in the other thread I have used it my small gas engines and they seem to run better when I do put it in. I have both a 4 stroke and a 2 stroke string trimmer and with the 4 stroke I seem to notice performance comparable with nonethanol fuel. With my 2 stroke hedge trimmer and chain saw I did not really notice. I appreciate you being the guinea pig and taking the lead on this one. On another note how are you window vents working out for ya, any decrease in MPG's.
     
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    It is a tax credit to be harvested, and a legal requirement in many places.

    When the result is to my disadvantage, disclosures of 'may' are most often translated as 'will'.
     
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    Over the years, there have been many products that made absurd promises about improving fuel economy. This is just another one.
    Caveat emptor.
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    The website is pure snake-oil BS.
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    Let's think about this logically: The ethanol is already in the gasoline before you add Star Tron, which means the additive can't keep it out of your tank. Likewise it can't convert the ethanol into gasoline. As an enzyme, all the Star Tron can do, if anything, is to convert the ethanol into some sort of inert liquid. This will not improve mileage, and will most likely worsen mileage by keeping the ethanol from burning.

    Star Tron, if it does passivate ethanol, could be good for boaters with fiberglass fuel tanks, where ethanol softens and dissolves the resin in the tank walls. Likewise it would be good for older fuel systems, where ethanol attacks the rubber parts. It will not be good for increasing your mileage.

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    Totally! They don't even ask whether your car is male or female and we all know females produce less alcohol dehydrogenase than males. Therefore, female cars would require a lager dose.
     
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    Well, MPGs are not the focus at this point. I have a '91 Toyota truck that currently has a tank of ethanol free gas in it and once that runs out, I might as well just park it and let it rot. I spent over $500 a while back replacing fuel filters, spark plugs, getting things adjusted and much more, only to find out that it was ethanol-tainted fuel causing all the trouble. Once I put ethanol free in it, it immediately began to run ok.

    If Star Tron really works to somehow break down the ethanol (or whatever it does to it), I can see spending a few dollars to have my truck running and usable. My only other choice, which would be far more expensive up front, would be to convert the truck to EV. I have explored that option and although it is very expensive, it is not out of the question.
     
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    My belief is that ethanol is being pushed on people who do not want it because of all the negatives and especially because it ruins older engines. Dark, evil forces are at work to remove all of our freedoms a little at a time. Contaminating the fuel supply with ethanol is one way they are doing this by ruining older engines causing people to have to buy newer cars and trucks when they really can't afford them, or to have the older engines repaired, which they also can't afford to do. I firmly believe people should have a choice instead of being green-washed by the ethanol lovers. Sooner or later somebody will figure out how to remove ethanol from fuel. Maybe Star Tron is it.

    As for the vent shades, I have not purchased any yet, so I can't give you an answer on that.
     
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    Before all the stations in my area were forced into tainting the fuel with ethanol, I could definitely tell a difference between those that had it and those that didn't. In addition to lower MPGs, my engine barely would crank, ran rougher, spit and sputtered, etc. with ethanol-tainted fuel. Putting ethanol-free in the tank caused immediate improvements.
     
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    Well, I was once told that Simple Green cleaner was "snake oil" because it would work fine diluted with water and didn't practically take your skin off while using it. Turns out, Simple Green, has proven itself many times for me. I have seen very few things that it will not clean.

    Star Tron might be "snake oil", but then again, it might be the magic formula that cancels out the horrible effects of ethanol.
     
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    I totally understand your frustration with running it on older engines and fuel systems. I wouldn't worry about it on your prius. The car will fall apart long before any harm is done by having some ethanol in the tank. :)

    I would look into exactly what enzymes are being used to break down the enthanol. Humans use alcohol dehydrogenases (a group of enzymes) to break down alcohol into aldehydes. The ethanol oxidation process is bound to leave behind something in the fuel system and that is what I'd be worried about. In the long run I think it may be cheaper just to update the fuel system components in your truck but you would know how that pencils out better than I do. :)
     
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    Thanks for the link to the article! I did not know that one existed, but it does speak the truth. I just don't know why more people don't stand up against the "system" and demand ethanol-free fuel. There is enough evidence that supports my belief, plus that of countless others, that ethanol is very bad for everyone regardless of what kind of car you drive, new or old.
     
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    I think ethanol for fuel, especially corn-based ethanol, is a stupid idea but I wish these articles would point out that it's not just government that creates these problems. It is the combination of lobbyists and corporate placements in governmental positions that make this such a horrible thing for the general public. So not only do we have to stand up against traditional government "tyranny" but we have an even more powerful foe in the form of corporate interests. It's always interesting to look at the job history of people placed in the position of making such decisions. e.g. Jeffrey Holmstead, former Assistant Admin for EPAs Air Division was previously an attorney for a high end Law Firm specializing in defending corporations from environmental challenges. After he left the EPA guess what he does now? He's still a lawyer. Do you think he ever stopped being a lawyer? lol This is really no different than the relationships between Dick Cheney and Halliburton or Condolezza Rice and Chevron. Hmm political rant off. Time for from Mexican food! :)
     
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    Nothing the government does is for the good of the people. It is because somebody is having their pocket padded with cash. Who knows how it will all play out? Greed and corruption will be the downfall of the country, not external threats.
     
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    It cannot cancel out the lower energy content of the ethanol.
     
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    Somewhat OT but my objection to ethanol is that as the global food shortage continues to escalate, fertile farmland is going to waste when it comes to what should be its primary purpose.

    EDIT: Wow, that previously linked article really covered it well.
     
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    Vinnie, the product the OP is asking about will not take ethanol out oflka fuel tank and return farmland to something other than corn for fuel. My question was specific to running ethanol you have already purchased through your engine vs. treating it with thiso product. We have numerous threads dating back to the creation of this forum where the evils of ethanol for fuel have been spelled out. This product will do nothing to fix your issue with ethanol. I agree with you completely however. :)