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Prius starts fine but idles a little rough

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by halpos4, Feb 17, 2011.

  1. halpos4

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    Just recently my Prius Taxi with 340,000+Km has developed a little problem,it starts fine but after 20-30 seconds it begins to feel like it's not running properly on all four cylinders,if i go to the exaust pipe it seems like it's spluttering slightly,
    Yesterday i changed the plugs,checked air filter and all connections,everything fine,
    When i accellerate it feels hesitant but after the car gets up to temp it seems to go away,it only happens when i start it first thing or if it's been left for a few hours,
    It's never had the throttle body cleaned and i'm wondering if what i'm describing is a symptom of this?
    I appreciate all replies,
    Regards.
     
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    I'd suspect the MAF sensor first, but find out by cleaning both of them. To reduce the risk of damaging the sensor and dumping gunk into the engine remove them from their housing, don't try to clean them in place.

    Edit: instead take Patrick's detailed advice below.
     
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    For us in the US, that's a bit over 211,000 miles. Just in case anyone else is wondering. :thumb:
     
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    Thanks Richard,
    I tried all day Friday trying to get MAF Sensor cleaner and throttle body cleaner in automotive stores here in Ireland...most of them looked at me as if i had ten heads and the people i spoke to on the phone..well the silence said it all!!
    Finally got one on Ebay in the UK but don't deliver to Ireland but luckily my wife is in the UK for a few days and the guy shipped it on Sat morning to where she's at....i guess there's more money to be made from selling a new MAF Sensor.
     
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    Regarding the throttle body: I will remove the air cleaner housing for access to the throttle body interior and throttle plate, then use Q-tips and rubbing alcohol to clean off the dirt. Rotate the spring-loaded shaft 90 degrees to clean the bottom and edges of the throttle plate.

    Regarding the MAF sensor, you should use the correct MAF sensor cleaning fluid if possible. If this is unavailable, then use Q-tips and rubbing alcohol so that the sensor wires and temp bulb are cleaned, then make sure the sensor is dry and there is no lint on the parts before reinstalling.

    If the temp bulb is amber in color (which means that dirt hasn't accumulated on it) then the sensor is probably clean enough, as-is.
     
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    ignition coils?... i had 1 fail around 80k miles... it didn't throw codes till a couple weeks later... i had a friend hook up his scan guage and tell me cylinder 1 wasn't fireing. prior, i did my own test of pull the plugs, to see which one doesn't effect the current state. my test showed the same results. replacing that coil (80 dollars) solved all problems.. i'm over 150k miles now.
     
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    Sounds like the TB needs cleaning. With my FJ, I have to clean the TB at least once a year. The MAF at least twice a year. Keep in mind I live in a climate that can dip to -40 in winter, and my FJ has mostly very short trip operation.

    If you can't find a can of the proper MAF cleaner, you must be very very careful cleaning the two hot wires. The '07 FJ uses the same MAF sensor. In this photo you can see the two hot wires inside the barrel of the sensor

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    Thanks for the replies folks,
    I cleaned the TB today but that didn't sort it,i did remove the MAF Sensor and indeed it is covered in a soot like substance,i did get a can of CRC MAF Sensor cleaner on Ebay in the UK which my wife has in her possession and she'll be home tomorrow evening so i'll tackle that on Thurs and if that doesn't work i'll move on to the coils,as i said in my earlier post,i've already changed the plugs so that'll narrow the investigation..lol
     
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    Good, there is a high probability that after you clean the MAF sensor, proper engine operation will be restored.

    How does the engine air filter look? (Look at the bottom of it to see the dirty side.)
     
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    Hi Patrick,
    Air filter OK,yeh i'm hoping that cleaning the MAF Sensor will sort things,it's a little annoying on start up only,once it gets up to temp it runs perfectly,
    On a completely different topic Patrick...what size is the transaxle fluid drain plug? i'm doing searches but can't find the relevant thread that i've seen countless times!!
     
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    The 2G transaxle ATF fluid drain plug has a round head with a hex indentation at the center, and requires a 10 mm hex key socket to turn it.
     
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    Thanks Patrick,
    Just found the thread...and 24mm socket for the fill plug,
    Cheers.
     
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    Just an update,
    I cleaned the MAF Sensor this morning,the car started ok but soon reverted to it's uneven idle but the hesitating under accelleration has gone,infact i feel that it's more responsive.
    In relation to V8Cobrakid's coil problem...was the problem persistant?
    In my case it's only on start up,that feeling of misfiring but does go away as soon as the car is up to temp,my only experience of a coil problem was with my wife's previous Focus,it was persistant even after warm up,

    Any thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated.
    I must add that if i shift into D or R,the feeling of misfiring goes away.
     
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    After all you have done, and the kms on the unit, I would suggest the easiest next step is to use some high quality injector cleaner, and/or the highest cleaning gasoline, sorry, petrol.
     
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    Just shortly after i submitted my last post that's exactly what i did,get the injector cleaner so we'll see how that goes,i must add that it's not affecting fuel economy,
    So far i've,

    Cleaned MAF Sensor,
    Cleaned Throttle body,
    Changed plugs,
    Injector cleaner,
    Pulled all my hair out,
    Chewed my nails down to the crioch [end]
     
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    If the engine performs well under load, then I do not see that you have any significant remaining issues. However it wouldn't hurt to try a bottle of Chevron Techron in the fuel tank, if you can get that in Ireland.
     
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    It's performing with absolutely no probs Patrick,as i said in my earlier post,since cleaning MAF Sensor and Throttle body i do feel it's accellerating much better and more responsive,i take it that Chevron Techron is a fuel additive/injector cleaner?I've never seen that product here in Ireland but i'll see how things go with the product i've tossed into the tank!!
    Do you think that there could be an issue with one of the coils or would that be a persistant problem?
    Thanks in advance.
     
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    Is ethanol a fuel additive there? If so then the injectors are getting all the cleaning they need. If added injector cleaner makes a difference I'd love to know.
     
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    We only have one fuel supplier here that has ethanol in it's unleaded [E5]Maxol
    They were the only supplier of E85 but discontinued supplying this at the end of 2010 due to the end of a government subsidy,this would have meant that E85 would have been €0.55 per litre more expensive than unleaded which is at €1.45 per litre [at the moment]so they felt that nobody would buy it and rightly so.
     
  20. Patrick Wong

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    Yes, Techron is a fuel additive intended to clean the fuel injectors.

    I don't think that there is any problem with the spark igniters since you say the engine performs well under load.