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Evidence of pre-Clovis settlers in America

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  1. zenMachine

    zenMachine Just another Onionhead

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    Texas scientists have found the oldest confirmed site of human habitation in the Americas just north of Austin, where the Edwards Plateau meets the coastal plains.

    The unprecedented haul of artifacts from as far back as 15,500 years ago brings archaeologists much closer to answering the mysteries of who the first Americans were, where they came from and how they got here...

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7489500.html
     
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    I don't think this really settles much. To date, the earliest artifacts in the "Americas" has been Brazil. The only thing this article is saying is that the earliest remains found North of the Texas border is now 2,000 years before the last archeological evidence. I suspect there's going to be digs that are way older if we continue to subscribe to the most plausible theory of the Bering Straight theory.
     
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    How could that be, the Earth is only 6,000 years old in Texas.
     
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    amm0bob Permanently Junior...

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    Back when I was a younger fella... I did read about several artifacts that were "outside of accepted scientific theory"...

    One was a Wooly Mammoth shoulder blade with a broken flint point stuck in it and scraping evidence... 40,000 plus years old... in the National Archive.

    That predates a lot of stuff don't it...

    Do you read Keeley Net...


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    This is Texas. They'll reject it because they claim there's no evidence of a birth certificate.
     
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    While not an archaeology major, I must agree. With sites like Monte Verde and Pedra Furada gaining international acceptance, it is only a matter of time before people finally let go of the Clovis First idea. With sea levels up to 450+ feet lower than present day, the oldest sites will be tough to locate but something will turn up. :) Can you tell I lean towards the coastal migration route?

    I'm not expecting to see sites dating to 30,000 yrs or anything like that but 12,000-13,500 just didn't seem early enough. If there was widespread human habitation in the Americas for more than 20,000 yrs I would expect to find many more early sites and more tool kit evolution like we do throughout Europe.

    If you guys are reading any recently published books or papers on this subject or other prehistoric humans, I'd love to hear about it. The last 4 books I've read were pretty good and eager to read more. After I finish my series on geology....
     
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    xs, now that's funny, and I know funny!:D
     
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    This settlement dates back to the last remaining democrats in Texas.

    Tom
     
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    Actually, Republicans will simply change the dates to make the artifacts older then anything older found someplace else.
     
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    Much like the last remaining Neanderthals at Gorham's Cave, a small band of Democrats still reside in Austin. History repeated but with a twist. In this case, the successors exhibit lesser intellectual capabilities and inferior adaptation skills. Thanks to politics and mass media, survival of the fittest no longer plays a part in evolution. lol
     
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    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    Brute strength and ignorance triumphs again. :(
     
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    Aye and look how it has benefited most other collapsed societies. Aye and look how it has benefited most other collapsed societies.

    Did I say that twice? I did because, just like geology, history repeats itself. lol
     
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    What were the last four you read? The latest articles I like cover the genetic information flooding in giving the still unfolding story of migrations over history.
     
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    F8L, next time you're at Davis, look up David Glenn Smith at the Anthropology Dept. He is a co-author on

    "Mitochondrial Population Genomics Supports a Single Pre-Clovis Origin with a Coastal Route for the Peopling of the Americas"


    The American Journal of Human Genetics 82, 583–592, March 2008

    A copy of which I am now trying to save. Not that I understand it...