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Best highway acceleration method - some numbers

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Fuel Economy' started by mikewithaprius, Mar 26, 2011.

  1. mikewithaprius

    mikewithaprius New Member

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    I already responded to a thread in the Gen III forum, so apologies if you see this twice, but it is a question of Gen II fuel economy, so here it is:

    Mike with a Prius: Acceleration to highway speeds

    Basically do you whatever you want to speed up to highway speeds, it's all the same anyway :D
     
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    I wish people would accelerate to highway speeds... One of my pet peeves is being stuck behind some idiot who wants to merge into 65mph to 85mph traffic going less than 45mph. Effectively makes the rightmost highway lane the onramp and reduces capacity to 2 lanes of "normal" traffic which then all get bogged down and screw everything up.
     
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    Yeah, funny thing is, I used to drive quite fast anyway, looks like I'll start accelerating more aggressively than I even used to in some cases (when safe, of course!).
     
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    Not to spoil the party, but I don't see how these results are relevant to anything other than your specific route. It is precisely the lack of information of how steep and long an incline might be that prevents us from measuring the optimally efficient operation of the GenII at different temperatures. The problem is further complicated by the differences in desired speed.

    For example, climbing the mountains surrounding the Shenandoah valley one doesn't need to reach 50 mph.

    I'm not sure there's a way to generalize findings simply because there are many parameters that are variable (desired speed, pedal depression) and others that are impossible to calculate (uphill steepness, uphill length). I also think that many experienced and tech-savvy Prius drivers who post here have tried to obtain empirical data but haven't managed for the above reasons. It is only after several years of Prius ownership that posters who know the Prius inside out have managed to come up with a sound calculation about engine efficiency and highway acceleration and speeds and support their theoretical findings with proposed practices.

    Empirically, speaking I think that gas depression is important and that it should vary on each trip: Before each trip the driver should contemplate:

    1) what time they need to arrive at their destination and thus derive their Warp Stealth highs and lows. For example, driving at super highway mode speeds outside the Baltimore Beltway is certain to get someone killed.

    AND

    2) The terrain. I think that before heading into an incline it is important to set speed expectations for entering the incline and finding oneself at the top of it. Now these speed expectations will depend on traffic, legal minimum speed, and length and steepness of an incline.

    I think Hobbit's 6.1 ms inj timings is as close to an "efficient" measurable parameter as we will get for speeds >30 MPH
     
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    Mike, no control for traction battery SOC change ?

    I'm surprised you call 45% depression of the fuel pedal aggressive. Does pedal on the floor register as 100% depression ?
     
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    There is no best way to accelerate up to highway speed based on
    MPGs. This would be backwards thinking.

    I think it best to remember that getting the best mileage is an optional
    exercise. It becomes irrelevant in cases where being a safe driver is
    paramount, like when merging from an onramp into high speed traffic.

    My approach is to forget about MPGs from when I enter the onramp,
    until I'm settled into the traffic stream, at whatever the established
    velocity is that day.

    FWIW, I also don't look at the MFD or my ScanGauge when going up a
    hill in traffic. The numbers suck, but it doesn't matter, so why get all
    wrapped around the axle.

    In both cases, it's part of the larger and very more important matter
    of driving safely and courteously.
     
  7. mikewithaprius

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    ystasino, thanks, you're not spoiling the party, you're bringing up good points. It may just be useful info for me, especially since most highways around here, even with some rolling hills, aren't anything like true mountains and valleys.

    Sagebrush, there wasn't a specific number I had up, but instead, since I always got 7 bars of green coming off the highway to start the runs, I would drive in EV right near the onramp (morning, small towns, no traffic, easy enough) until it just dropped to 6 bars of blue, and would start right then.

    I did find 45% very aggressive for everyday driving. I zoomed well out of reach of anyone even remotely close to me at the start of acceleration. Even when I drove 80 mph all the time, I never accelerated that fast myself (though it could have been in the older cars I was driving they just couldn't haha). A depression of 100% does register as such, but I've only ever tried that in neutral to test it out.

    Rokeby, yes, in complete agreement about everything (except that first paragraph :-D). I actually arrived at the same conclusion ("Of course, as you can see, the difference in end results is so minuscule between your grandma and your local high school idiot, I guess a more practical way to interpret the results would be to not give a damn and just drive the thing!"). I should edit my post if it sounds like it's inciting people to drive like grandmas getting on the highway, since my mindset is more the opposite of that.

    Safety procedures weren't included since it was an experimental sort of post, and I assume anyone reading it already knows how to drive competently and safely regarding their surroundings, something which is paramount, as you pointed out.