1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Need Help QUICK! MPG dropped BAD and high RPM!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by F8L, Apr 9, 2011.

  1. SageBrush

    SageBrush Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2008
    11,627
    2,530
    8
    Location:
    Southwest Colorado
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Two
    I wonder if you could narrow this down by using the SG to measure torque at the output shaft. If the power is as expected then the next question could be where is the excess (over usual) going ? I'm surprised the radiator is not turning on. Or is it ?
     
  2. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    19,011
    4,081
    50
    Location:
    Grass Valley, CA.
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I'm not sure how to do that but I have my SG2 manual in the glove box so I could set up the xgauge before I leave in the morning and monitor it on the way home.

    My engine temp stayed around 180deg for the entire trip. Other than the high RPM and terrible mpg the car seemed normal and no warning lights showed up. I checked gallons per hour and it was around 2-2.5GPH on the SG2.

    I'm going to put the 15s back on tomorrow when I get back to Sac then drive it to Davis and see if there is a change.
     
  3. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    108,912
    49,492
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    why don't you try some flowers and sweet talk?:p
     
  4. SageBrush

    SageBrush Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2008
    11,627
    2,530
    8
    Location:
    Southwest Colorado
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Two
    That is a lot of extra heat -- somewhere.
     
  5. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    19,011
    4,081
    50
    Location:
    Grass Valley, CA.
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    SG2 showed no codes. I set up MG2 torque and RPM xgauges but not sure what that information tells me. :)

    I 'll buy it flowers and chocolate if that will help. ;)

    I also checked the tailpipe and no bananas in there.lol
     
  6. Patrick Wong

    Patrick Wong DIY Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    18,200
    6,474
    0
    Location:
    Green Valley, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2015 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    "Upgrades: 900w Kenwood eXcelon & Diamond Audio stereo system"

    For fun, you might temporarily disconnect the 12V supply to the power amplifier for your stereo system to see if that makes any difference.
     
  7. magic-man

    magic-man New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2010
    31
    6
    0
    Location:
    Trinidad
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Welcome to the North Coast. Due to the strange terrain and our unseasonably cold weather, the best you are going to get MPG wise is around 43.2. The main issue is that even though our roads LOOK flat, they are heavilly crowned in many areas, ESPECIALLY on 101, 299, and 36. Our roads are slightly hilly as can be seen from my altimeter going from 0-5 feet constantly. Caltrans money savings at its best... Couple all this with the rough pavement, and the MPGs can be terrible.
     
  8. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    19,011
    4,081
    50
    Location:
    Grass Valley, CA.
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    That was one thing I thought of but I have had the system turned off for the last few days. I will remove the power cables anyway just for fun to eliminate the system from the suspect list. :)

    I agree. The problem is that this issue started from the time I left Davis traveling on Hwy 113 then onto I5 for the next 150+ miles. So while I expected to get sub 50 mpg due to my crappy tires, cold weather and terrain, I ended up with an entirely new experience. :(
     
  9. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    19,011
    4,081
    50
    Location:
    Grass Valley, CA.
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Getting ready for the 5hr trip back home. Is there anything I should try and monitor during the drive that could better diagnose this problem? I have the SG2 set up with a number of xgauges but I honestly don't know what half of them really tell me. :)

    Ohh I checked 12v battery voltage with the car off (minutes after turning the car off) and it was at 12.6v. I didn't get a chance to check it this morning after sitting.
     
  10. SageBrush

    SageBrush Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2008
    11,627
    2,530
    8
    Location:
    Southwest Colorado
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Two
    F8L, I'll take our Prius out for a spin and provide you with baseline data from the SG when it returns home and the wind dies down. Be aware though that I'll be driving at ~ 5500 feet elevation, so your car's energy requirements (and power flows) when operating normally are going to be somewhere around 5 - 10% higher.

    The intent is to rule out the ICE as the extra power consumer. If Patrick says the idea will not work we can stop.
     
  11. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    19,011
    4,081
    50
    Location:
    Grass Valley, CA.
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Are we talking about using the SG2 to monitor MG2 torque? I Will be crossing over the coastal range so I can monitor in similar elevations as well as low elevation flat land.
     
  12. richard schumacher

    richard schumacher shortbus driver

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    7,663
    1,038
    0
    Location:
    United States
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Maybe not a good a idea to do any work immediately before a long trip. If something went wrong you may not notice until it's too late.
     
  13. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    19,011
    4,081
    50
    Location:
    Grass Valley, CA.
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    That is good advice. I'm not planning to do anything beyond monitoring. :)

    My tires make a loud thumping noise at low speed and hum at higher speed but the thumping does not really get louder at high speed. I've done the usual test for wheel bearing problems but there is no change in sound when turning left or right. It appears all the wheel weights are in place and there are not bald spots or bulges on the tires. The main reason I suspect the tires are the source of the noises is because there was zero noise with the 15s. The noise start immediately after the swap.
     
  14. SageBrush

    SageBrush Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2008
    11,627
    2,530
    8
    Location:
    Southwest Colorado
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Two
    All this commotion over a flat tyre ? Just kidding Justin ;)
    The new noise certainly points to something in tyre/assembly as a possible culprit, although like you I'm surprised extra heat was not apparent.
     
  15. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    19,011
    4,081
    50
    Location:
    Grass Valley, CA.
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    : p Don't think that didn't cross my mind. I was dreading the embarassment of a stupid mistake on my part.

    So I made it home. I used the My Tracks phone app to log my trip and it is one crazy looking graph! The car seemed to act better but the mpg a higher speeds still bugged me., I traveled something like 185 miles over the coast range and ended at 42 mpg. I stopped at my house and put the 15s back on then reset the MFD. I then drove approx. 40 miles to Davis. There was traffic and moderate winds blowing from the driver side front. I tried to do 70 mph when possible and for most of the trip the car was perfect but then the mpg started dropping and the rpm raised though not as high as before; the car rolls SOO much easier with the 15s. I ended the trip at 48mpg so it's not far off normal. I also have to consider the fact that my tires have effectively been rotated now and must adapt to the specific alignment at each corner of the car.

    The thump and hum is gone and i'll tracks everything on my usual work commute tomorrow.

    ThanksTo everyone for helping me with advice this weekend. You are all awesome. :)
     
  16. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2004
    44,933
    16,155
    41
    Location:
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I've removed your phone number now that you're back home.
     
  17. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    19,011
    4,081
    50
    Location:
    Grass Valley, CA.
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Thanks brother! I kept meaning to do it at every rest stop but I'd get sidetracked.
     
  18. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2004
    44,933
    16,155
    41
    Location:
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
  19. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    19,011
    4,081
    50
    Location:
    Grass Valley, CA.
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I'm not sure I'll ever know exactly what the problem was but for now i'm going to blame it on a bad tire. Maybe the belts are separating in one of them.

    My daily commute mpg (52) is the same as always now that I switched back to the 15s and all the noises are gone. The ride it MUCH smoother too despite running the tires at 52/50.
     

    Attached Files:

    4 people like this.
  20. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2004
    44,933
    16,155
    41
    Location:
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Still amazed at how sensitive the Prius is to changes. I guess that helps identify problems sooner.