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Discussion in 'Newbie Forum' started by dhaval1981, May 4, 2011.

  1. dhaval1981

    dhaval1981 New Member

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    So I just put a deposit down on a new Prius, the deal sounds good, butbwith a catch.

    I am paying MSRP Prius three with nav and blizzard pearl with mats. 27289
    I have agreed to a 582 monthly payment at 4.9 with 4000 down, but that includes about 6200 owed from my trade in, I think that is good for now considering shortage Japan situatio. Etc but here's the problem

    Every dealer has told me my payoff amount is 26284 for lease, this dealer says it roughly 24500 they say they don't have to pay the sales tax as they are a dealer or along those lines but they require me to sign an agreement that states that I am responsible for any problems with the payoff amount.

    Payment terms for the Prius is over 60 months and the 6200 is what I owe on the car I'm trading in, based on the price the dealer gave me.

    Btw my trade in is a 2009 maxima sv with 53000 miles on it
    Anyone one have any ideas what I should do, when I call Nissan says my payoff is 26284 but if I say I am a dealer they say it is 24500, but every dealer except the above says it's 26284
     
  2. cwerdna

    cwerdna Senior Member

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    I'm confused. Not enough info for me to parse your post.

    Are you leasing? What's the length of the lease? If you're buying, what's the length of the loan?

    For the "that includes about 6200 owed from my trade in", does that mean you're underwater on your trade in and still owe $6200 on it?

    Are you shopping for cars based on a payment and being sucked into the 4-square system being described at Confessions of a Car Salesman — Edmunds.com (I don't lease cars and have never taken dealer financing.) My Prius was bought w/cash (err... check).
     
  3. dhaval1981

    dhaval1981 New Member

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    My payment for the Prius is for 60 months and yes I owe 6200 on my trade it was a lease and will never do it again
     
  4. 2k1Toaster

    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    Not sure the reason for you trading in with such a high negative equity on your previous car.

    It is not too hard. If your previous car has a loan for $10,000 left, then you owe $10,000. If you continued to pay principle and interest every month, you would pay more than $10k, but it would be interest on them carrying the loan. This assumes your loan has no pre-payment penalties.

    I am not sure what you mean about paying off the lease. Is the old car a lease, that you are trying to get out of and then into a new car to buy (not lease)? So perhaps you have to "buy" the car from Nissan for the lease termination agreement so that the other dealer can accept it as a trade in and then sell you a new car (to buy). Is that even close?

    If that is the case, then when you "buy" your leased car from Nissan, for $24,500 you will then have to register it as sold and pay sales tax on it. Dealerships however can buy cars and not pay sales tax because they are only buying them with the intent to sell to you. So if the dealership buys the car for $24,500 then that's the end of it. Either way the price is the same. One way you pay sales tax to the state, the other way the dealership does not. The dealerships that say the buyback is price + tax is because they do not want to buy it, they are going to get you to buy it and sell it back to them as a tradein so they collect the money for the tax upfront. Legally that is the state's money. I am sure some unscrupulous dealers may collect the tax then pocket it and decide to buy it themselves to begin with though.

    Can't really say much more without more info and some clarification.
     
  5. dhaval1981

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    Ok so here goes' I currently have a 2009 Nissan maxima sv, lease is 377 a month, I have 16 months remaining and I am already 14000 miles over. I switched jobs and now find myself driving 3000 miles a month.
    I cannot afford to buy it out right so I have to trade it in.

    So my plan is to trade in this lease, which I am told will leave me with 6200 negative equity.

    But every dealer except one was telling me I would have to base the trade in on 26284 payoff price, only one guy said my payoff price is 24500 both cases the dealer would be buying the car.

    The guy who said the payoff price is 24500 want me to sign a contract that says I am responsible for any discrepancy in payoff amount!!!!!!!!

    So I left a deposit and will contact Nissan and see what they say?

    So if the current deal stands, I will be getting a Prius 3 with navi blizzard pearl for 27289 + 6200 + taxes and fees and 4000 down for 582 a month at 4.9 interest for 60 months

    My high car payment is actually off set by my monthly fuel cost, I'm just wondering is I should have tried for a better deal because it happened pretty quick although it was just an hour before they closed.

    The previous dealer I was at offered me a 549 payment at 4.49 for 60 months for a basic Prius 2 with 4000 down and that was after being there for 4 hours so thisndeal sounded great to me!

    Just want to make sure I am not being ripped off if you guys need more info let me know because I'm due to got back their tomorrow afternoon
     
  6. stevemcelroy

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    If you can afford it and really want the Prius then go for it and just chalk this up as an expensive lesson. If it were me though I'd stay away from rolling all of that negative equity into a new car - you are just kicking the problem down the road.

    Also when comparing the different options do not look at monthly payment but rather total cost - once you decide on that then make sure the payments work with your budget.

    Lastly you need to be positive that you will be in this car for the long run - if not you will be looking at cars in a year or two and be in an even bigger hole $-wise.
     
  7. Paul58

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    My suggestion would be to keep the Maxima and just buy it at the end of the lease. You're going to put a high number of miles on either vehicle regardless, and if what you save in gas is going to your new car payment, where is the advantage of having a Prius over the Maxima? Besides, if you kept the Maxima, you could sell it yourself once Prius supplies are replemished and purchase a new one for less than what you can today, and not have a ton of negative equity rolled in.

    It's a tough call, but economically speaking, you need to get those "New Car" stars out of your eyes and think with your wallet!
     
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    4.9 percent for 60 months seems awfully high.............if you have good credit you can get somewhere around 3.......this with Toyota Finance even........
     
  9. 2k1Toaster

    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    Remember the % on a loan is not just credit. The % of the value of the car vs. the amount to be financed is a factor as well.

    So if you had 800+ credit score, but wanted to buy a $10k car for $20k, your % is going to be much higher than the guy with the bad 500 credit buying a $10k car with $5k down.
     
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    It's possible that part of the dealer confusion about your lease payoff is that the dealer doesn't know for sure when they'll deliver your new Prius. Unless it's an out-of-stock purchase, but I assumed you ordered something, or the dealer is locating from some other dealer.

    You don't need to sign anything with the dealer about your lease payoff since you're on the hook with the lessor, not the dealer. Unless, of course there's more information you have not revealed such as early pay-out penalties, excess mileage penalties and/or damage penalties. I'm assuming you continue to drive the lease car while you await your new Prius.

    Welcome to PriusChat.:welcome:
     
  11. dhaval1981

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    Ok so here's where I stand as of today, I spoke to Nissan today they say the payoff amount is 26284 for me or 24556* for the dealer, dealer requires me to sign a discloser statement which says I am responsible for any payments left on the lease so I call Nissan they say I will also have to pay 2813 for early termination penalty. So now I find myself with a 1000 deposit with the Prius but not being able to buy the car as of now, I hope they will return the deposit.

    In the mean time I found out that I can pay the early termination fee plus over milage which is 2098, in my deal for the Prius I was adding about 6000 negative equity from my Nissan lease, now I am going to get a pre turn in inspection and I know I will have to pay for damages but I hope it comes in close to what I would have paid for negative equity.

    I have a feeling it will be alot more to turn it in to Nissan, but that is my safest option so I don't get any supries after the trade in.

    Now about the dealer deposit, when I left the salesman was trying to return the deposit, but his manager said it will be done tomorrow and then he said it will be done on Monday. So do you guys think will get my deposit Back if I can't make this work? They did say that they will return the deposit if the numbers change and as far as I am concerned me having to pay 2813 on top of my negative trade makes the numbers change even though the dealer quoted the correct payoff

    Another issue is every dealer I have been to had said to me that the payoff was 26284, while this dealer said it was 24555* so if they will pay less for the trade why do I not see any benefit in terms of payments.

    If you need more info to give an educated answer please ask, as I feel I am having the worst car buying experience ever. I have spent no less than 5 hours a day since Saturday at dealerships trying to workout a deal for a Prius.

    On a side note even though I don't mind paying MSRP right one, has anyone got any deals on a Prius 3 blizzard pearl with navi


    Trust me I will never ever lease again
     
  12. Paul58

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    I still say keep your car, get your deposit back, and wait! 6 months to a year from now prices will be better because there will be more competition in the Hybrid market! There are other options available... While you wait take advantage of the many resources available on the web and your local library on how to purchase a vehicle without getting taken to the cleaners!