May 21, 2011. The date of the Rapture.

I believe your Jesus said that people in your position should turn the other cheek.

Waiting for others to stop first is the same as continuing.

 

Harold Camping is an easy target. I would much prefer US Evangelicals be ridiculed for their lust after Sarah Palin, or the belief that the earthquake in Haiti was due to a deal with the devil, or their gay hatred.

To Chuck's question: I doubt a single Evangelical has caught reason from PC, but if keeping the ideology in the cross-hairs of laughter makes it less likely to expand its ranks, the investment is worthwhile. I have little doubt I would like Chuck in person, and there are truly excellent people who are evangelicals. As a movement though, the sooner it is extinguished the quicker humanity can get on with the business of tolerance and non-destructive life.

 

How is wrapping all people of faith any different to saying all prius drivers are sissy's? This thread sure shows the the true Characther of posters...

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The rapture didn't take place, Camping was "wrong" once again originally predicted Rapture September 1994, and now has revised to be 10/21/2011.

As I said before, for people that believe that Jesus is coming back (again) and that he will call his believers back, it's more important to know he is coming back.

 

Because "all of people of faith" is a valid grouping. So is "all Prius owners" and "all sissies". But the intersection of sissies and Prii owners is not the same as the union. Whereas "all people of faith" have faith by definition. It is a lumping.

I think you will find most anti-theists are against "faith"""" in the religious sense, and not against just one faith.

 

Windstring's posts were particularly annoying, in that there was no thought, analysis, or even an attempt at conversation. They were just endless strings of biblical quotes that apparently meant something to him, but nothing to anyone else. I don't recall him commenting on any topic other than religion, or in a way that was not completely concerned with religion. Despite his emotion and verbosity, there was no effective communication.

 

And yet, in person, he was very nice. Very gracious person.

Which goes to show that not all the personnas one meets online are the same as they carry in their every day life.

 

If the Rapture happened, then I was right, 99.9% of the so called Christians stayed.

 

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Hmmmmm........

 

Despite being cynical, you are probably closer to the truth than you think.

 

Some people's hobby is to argue.

 

No matter what Christians do it's a no win situation. When we walk away you push back, when we try to persuade you complain that we're shoving it down your throats. A mere knock on the door of APK's, Daniel's, or burritos home would spur another hate diatribe here on Priuschat. What do we do qbee? The fact that we walk away without anger, recriminating words or prejudice doesn't cause you to push back it's the feeling of betrayal that causes the anger and the pushing back.
Hate doesn't need anything to exist, no action is necessary by the either party, nor words or anything will affect it one way or the other. It just is and it needs an object to subject itself upon. Now you know why Christians yearn for the day when the end comes and Jesus returns. We're sick and tire of all the AGW. God Bless

 

I believe that was in relation to a physical slap in the face, i.e. violence and he never mentioned anything beyond one slap or about repeated slaps. In Luke 22:36 he also instructed his followers to buy a sword. I'm guessing free will comes in on which we use, within reason. Have at it Chuck! :thumb:

 

That's nonsense, pure and simple. I guess if you can't dazzle them with brilliance you baffle them with bullshit?

 

It is May 23rd. World did not end. This thread sucks.

 

When atheists tell you this happens to them often, and from different sources, it is not a coincidence. When we walk away from the "what religion are you" question, it continues to be pushed. Sometimes nicely such as "well, I'll pray for you". Now this may be perfectly innocent, but it does irk people such as myself. Now I am not going to get angry over an 80 year old grandmother saying she will pray for me because I am non-theist. I just smile and carry on. The ones that push more like yelling that you're going to hell, or the ones that grasp their children and leave quickly, that is just insane and it happens more often than you may think.

As an experiment, anytime someone you don't know well asks you what religion you are, just say you are an atheist. Get their initial reaction and maybe words of saving you. Then you can fess up about your true religion. I can almost guarantee you will have similar reactions to what we go through.

Uh no... Where was I wrong? If you have a religious faith, then you can be grouped into "all people of faith". If you own a pair of blue socks, then you can be grouped into "all people who own blue socks". It is not rocket science it is first year discrete math...

 

So only exact scenarios from the Bible should apply to our current situations? Nothing should be taken as a metaphor, or allegory? That will makes thing much easier.

 

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I agree 100%. I find it absurd that ANY institution which many people look to for moral guidance, should be on that list. Sadly, since past actions dictate that many institutions ARE on that list. My only option is to convince people not to look to those institution for moral guidance.

 

In regards to Windstrings...

I joined five years ago to learn more about the Prius.

Windstrings was close enough I could drive to his home and test drive his.

It was the first time I drove a Prius. Both he and his wife have a Prius each. He also has greened his home. I'd love to have him as a neighbor, regardless of his beliefs. I have friends of all kinds of beliefs.

So a short time later when Daniel and Windstrings go at each other around five times a day for about six months, I'm stunned and bewildered with the tar-and-feathering at Windstrings. If those flames still exist, they are in FPHOP, but I don't need to refer to them. So they have different beliefs - Daniel chose to tear into a stranger 2000 miles away and get entirely too personal...that episode reflected poorly on both him and his message. I think Windstrings' position would have been better served with more general logic and a lot less Scripture.

I could be a lot more vocal on religion/politics/social issues, but there will always be a few that will get too excited. There would be times I'd feel like a bomb-thrower like Dr. Bermann....we had a college-age guy like that at CleanMPG and that along with this thread's topic has influenced that site to not go deep into the FPHOP mode.

So I usually don't get too involved in these kind of topics. People have different viewpoints.

Agree to disagree. Don't resort to insults.

The alternative is more flamewars like this thread...it's been going on for at least five years. If a few insist on emulating either Daniel or Windstrings, it will continue indefinitely. Has the time and bandwidth on this been worth it? Anything accomplished other than bad feelings? Will the outcome be different?

 

Once again, change the word "Christians" to "atheists" and this post works just as well. Atheist push-back is a relatively new thing, as previously atheists and other heretics were burned, which had a chilling effect, despite the heat.

Any personal belief system is fine as long as it stays a belief. It only becomes a problem when it produces bad behavior or faulty thinking. Keep religion out of politics, work, and other people's lives and no one will push. It's as simple as that.

Unfortunately, that will never work, as most religions push a doctrine of conversion. To be a good member of such a religion, one must spread the gospel and convert neighbors. Non-believers must be saved.

Atheists, on the other hand, don't care what you think, as long as your thinking doesn't cause bad things to happen. Bad things, in this context, includes any laws based on religious beliefs: Sunday blue laws, bans on stem cell research, anti-gay laws, anti-birth control, and anything of that type.

If you don't like being pushed by atheists, stop trying to push religion. As soon as you do that, your religion becomes a non-issue and no one will care.

Tom

 

People fall into two groups: Those that lump people into two groups, and those that don't.

Tom