Is Climate Change in any way shape or form related to more tornadoes?

The problem lies in not going far enough back in history. The following page shows the high variability.
NCDC: Tornadoes > Climatology

But we can look at the stronger huricanes F3-F5.

I find it hard to believe anyone can show a trend of increasing tornados or even a good theory on why ghg would cause more tornados. Because of population growth these tornados may be causing as much damage as they did in the 20s and 30s. The best I've heard is the hulk like "global warming bad it must be causing more extreme weather".

 

how could it if it does not exist? you cannot be denying and confirming GW in one sentence, really..

 

huh. I don't see any correlation between ghg and tornados. The IPCC says that the cold weather should be getting milder, which would lead one to believe that tornados should if anything be getting less severe. I find evidence of global warming in the temperature record.... It is global warming after all, not in the tornado numbers, nor do I think of ghg as a boogie man that causes all extreme weather. Those thoughts deny scientific method.

 

AFP: No link between tornadoes and climate change: US

" "The biggest single demographic change that probably affects things is that the fraction of mobile homes in the United States has increased over the years," he said.
More than seven percent of all 311 million Americans (about 20 million) live in mobile homes, US Census data show. And more than half of all mobile homes are in the US South which is among the regions most prone to tornado strikes."

 

*Sigh*,

I agree it is amazing short of the analogy of having a person fall and until they hit their face on the ground to get the point across there is a bit of a problem with global warming. Are other factors involved from the sun, moon, chaos theory, and the next soothsayer who accurately predicts the next major event? Of course their is. Do we contribute to the problem? Like it or not, however much or little history records we do.

My favorite explanation of what is going on with the polar caps is the farmer who would live years ago without electricity. You could have a root cellar to keep stuff cool, but if you were lucky enough to have a refrigerator you could have the iceman come by. He would place a cube of ice in a box inside the refrigerator. As the ice melted, it would help cool what was inside the refrigerator. Not perfect but you kinda noticed the difference when there wasn't enough ice to make a difference or worst when all the ice melted.

It is a conclusion we have a problem the the polar caps melting with ice up to 100,000 years old releasing their cold. Does all that cold instantly affect global warming? Of course not. But it does get released into the atmosphere or cools down water which can circulate. There are so many variables in how this affects weather but this cold just does not just go into outer space. There is a effect on the weather. I know it is quite hard to believe but based on whatever currents that change however much or little, air and water and contributes a lot to whether a particular area either gets more extreme weather due to either broader or more frequent weather. Worst yet, the results can hide themselves by manifesting themselves as a hotter area in one place, and a colder one in another.

The other problem of course is as the caps melt, other events (like solar), have more of a impact on the planet. Another big problem will be the methane ice in oceans and tundra which will release gases on a unimaginable scale to contribute to the warming of the earth.

Will this happen overnight? Of course not. Is it happening on a crazy fast scale based on geological time? Damn straight it is. Do I have a solution? Sadly I don't, but one of them is to try and convince people it has been happening, is happening, and will continue. The point is simply this, planet Earth will survive, however we just might not
like what it turns into....

 

There may be a connection, but correlation is not causation. The atmosphere is chaos. We have a difficult time grasping chaos (a highly structured system), because we can never know the starting point. We can be more precise at the local level, but very ambiguous at the synoptic (big picture) level.

 

Hmm,

First of all, I don't think chaos is a highly structured system, that would imply understanding and predictability utilizing that model. Of course there is no absolute starting point since there are so many contributing factors, but generally speaking, you can apply other influences and the results those influences contribute, however much or little. If we were more precise at the local level, we would not have these disasters costing so many lives as a result.

It is the big picture causes that are being created with difficult and hard to predict local levels. Go to a river or creek sometime and try to predict every eddy and current based on the different water flows, seasons, and the water bottom as it changes. We have a flood of different influences being contributed in no small part by us. While it will always be difficult to predict what history records at the local level, the big picture affects keep coming more and more fact.

 

Try to read through the noaa link I posted. People are taking global warming as a religion. There is not even correlation or a theory that would provide for causation of tornados.from ghg. We in the united states are having the most damaging tornados since the 50s, there seems to be fewer today than the 20s and 30s, and we do not have good data past 100 years. Those blaming warming seem to only be able to look at data in the last 50 years, which seems like a highly selective data set. Since there are more tornados in the united states than any other country noaa's database is a good place to start.

Whether you think ghg contribute to global warming or not, and I happen to bow to the strong evidence they do, does not mean we need to believe everything some idiot says is caused by global warming.

It seems a lot like religion where a tornado used to be blamed on god punishing bad people, now it is gaia hurting polluting humans.

 

GAIA ,gaya is whats going on in San Francisco.

 

Back to Piers Corbyn .
From more than 3 weeks ahead of time ,his predictions were 100% accurate
regarding the USA tornado events for the months April and May.
This is by observing solar activity and the moons position and predicting how that affects the jet stream affecting weather events.
The Sun had some major solar flares in the recent months.
For yesterday and today P Corbyn predicted a top RED level warning for tornadoes,again June 3-4 and an extreme warning for Earthquakes May 31-June 5
The tornadoes are caused by solar lunar events.
Not global warming.
According to Piers Corbyn ALL the Earth's weather and climate are caused by Solar activity modulated by the moons position.

"Extract from forecast
Key Weather Development Notes 21-24 May (esp 23-24)
EXTRA TOP RED Warning 23-24
High strengthens in West and double low / complex Low deepens South/West of Great Lakes.
Hot air from South & cold air from North meet with very large temperature contrasts.
Deluges, massive hail thunder and many tornadoes – DANGEROUS tornado swarm in South / SouthEast parts – AL, TN, KY. IL. MO et"
Piers Corbyn, astrophysicist of WeatherAction.com said: "May's tornado count was below normal up to this date so we are very pleased with this dramatic confirmation of our explicitly forecasted dangerous and tornado swarm which has come in the regions we predicted when we said to within a Day. This continues our 100% success rate in EXTREME EVENT / tornado USA warnings in April and May which is so far 11/11 (7/7 for April* & 4/4 for May so far). We successfully predicted all 4 of the major tornado outbreaks / swarms so far this season.
Our sympathies go to all those who have suffered in this dangerous deadly outbreak and hope that in future the Authorities can use our forecasts to be better prepared for such dangerous weather events."

WeatherAction LongRange Forecast of ~23-24 MAY EXTRA TOP RED ... on Twitpic

This map is frigging incredible ,it shows the path of the tornados almost exactly as it occurred .
I was watching it live on MSNBC .
This was predicted much longer than 3 WEEKS AGO.

Below is a synopsis of last months predictions.
http://climaterealists.com/attachments/ftp/WORLD MAY 2011 Red Warnings.pdf

 

maybe this would help?

BTW OP asked "Climate Change in any way shape or form related to more tornadoes" not "Global Warming in any way shape or form related to more tornadoes"

It is obvious that you and mojo will use any question as GW bashing platform.. but that was not the question. El Niño/La Niña a part of cyclic climate change.

 

Neither climate change nor global warming are related to tornadoes.
Now ,calling it "Climate change" you can blame cold weather on warming.Now you can blame anything on climate change.
Its a stupid PR term ,quit nit picking.

 

Are you claiming that El Nino is exacerbating the current tornado situation?

 

me? not me, people who study El Nino.
looks like you missed it first time:

This would also help:

 

If there is more energy in a system where cold meets hot, there is more severe weather. Global warming adds more energy. Period. That's my theory and I'm stickin' to it.

 

Nope, that's what it's called. It's a more accurate and scientific term for what's happening.

 

BTW they changed the scale of rating tornadoes around 2005.

Tornadoes are rated by the damage they inflict and previous scale was not taking into consideration the robustness of the building. Due to this more powerful F3-F5 tornado got knocked down on Fujita scale..

Here is info: New tornado scale factors more damage - Weather - Weather News - msnbc.com

With respect to hurricanes it is a separate subject for discussion.. also subject to El Nino/La Nina pattern. Let's put it a side for a moment.

 

yes, tornadoes. Sorry, I have no idea why I wrote huricane.
I am sure that NOAA understands the scales and I refer you back to their page for disambiguation. The main point is that more tornados are being reported because more weather stations and populations are in the path. We can get a reasonable look at the real trends when we look at severe tornados which would have been reported without the new population and weather stations. When we look at this data the number of strong tornados per year is random. You could also adjust the numbers for coverage of population and weather stations and assuming proportional tornado activity the new numbers also show no increase. 2011 is an extradinary year for bad tornados, but that is all you can say about it. The link I previously provided to the noaa page showed other bad years like 1925, 1953, 1974.

Think of it like a theory that global warming was causing more car crashes but say up until 1980 29 states only showed fatalities. In 1990 15 showed only fatalities. We could get a number showing car accidents going up with the years, but this is only reporting. If we look to the reporting agency and correct for the data there is no such trend, but some politician wants to whip up some fake issue, why not blame global warming. Looking at the data on tornados should also show no correlation, but people like looking at poor data sets. That is not to say the tornados are not awful this year. I'm just thankful I don't live in tornado alley.

 

IT IS NOT. "FAKE ISSUE!"

Yes, I'm yelling!

Icarus

 

Except that we're not in an El Nino period at the moment.