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DIY Transmission replacement on a 2002?

Discussion in 'Generation 1 Prius Discussion' started by AaronA, Jun 24, 2011.

  1. AaronA

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    A friend has a 2002 Prius with 115K miles on it. He recently had two garages tell him that the transmission needs to be replaced. The cost of the repair was so high, that he wants to sell it. I was thinking of buying the car and replacing the transmission myself with one from a junk yard. Has anyone done this? Is it much different on a Prius than on other cars?

    I got the Chilton manual from the library (which looked pretty sparse) and it recommended removing the engine and transmission together - can just the transmission be removed? The instructions were basically to remove everything attached to the motor then lower it out of the bottom of the car. Is it more complicated than that? Can I support the motor on top, then detach the transmission and lower it on a jack?

    I haven't driven the car yet, so I'm not sure of the symptoms, but he said there the light came on and has not re-appeared after being reset by the dealer. He also said there is a hum over 45 mph. Any other ideas of what it might be?

    My last question is if there is anything else I should look at on the car before buying?

    Thanks in advance!
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    It's not much different than a regular front wheel drive car. Dropping the engine + transaxle is easy if you have a lift, but in your garage/driveway on jackstands is a completely different call. One thing you could do is buy it from your friend, change the fluid, and drive it until it dies. They can't be rebuilt economically, so there is no point in pulling it early in order to save components. If you can get the diagnostic trouble code (DTC), we can interpret it.
     
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    I was thinking of doing it on the driveway with jackstands. I have a compressor and air tools so that should make it go a little quicker. I figured to do everything on top first, then put it on jackstands and do the lower half, and finally to lower the tranny with a floor jack. But if I have to do the motor too, it's a lot more involved. Do-able?

    If I run the tranny until it dies, can it do any damage to the rest of the car? Or will it just eventually clunk and then the car won't move?

    I'll try to get the DTC's when I look at the car next week.

    Thanks!
     
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    Aaron,

    some junk yards can/will do a swap for you for ~6-800$. If not you can probably find a small independent garage who will be glad to do it.

    with respect to transmission, what is wrong with it? when it was serviced last?

    Toyota requires ATF T-IV.. it is possible they did not put right fluid when it was serviced last. New filter, full flush with right fluid and re-programming could solve the problem.


    here is some info on ATF:
    http://priuschat.com/forums/generation-1-prius-discussion/95330-atf-question.html
    Toyota T-IV = Dexron III ? - Bob Is The Oil Guy


    Also the Prius is known to give bad tranny codes when the 12v battery is dying
     
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    Do you know why they are saying to replace the transmission? That is really low mileage for a repair like that. I would first question the diagnosis. One, is it wrong. or Two, can it be solved a different way? They may say the way to resolve it is replace the whole thing, when you might be able to fix one part or somehting. They may not offer that option if they are A) shady B) they can't be sure that it would fix the issue and don't want to tell a customer something like "this $500 fix has a 70% chance of fixing the issue or we can replace the tranny for $2,000 and be sure to fix it. It is easier to just say the safe option.

    I am not saying it isn't necessary, to be clear, just that it might be worth it to look at other options.

     
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    I am meeting with my friend on Tuesday morning and will get more details then. I'll have a chance to test drive it and will hopefully get the code. Should I post the info here or start a new thread? (I'm new to this forum.)

    Are there other common issues with a prius of this age and mileage that I should look out for? Is there a way to test the high voltage battery?

    Thanks for all the help!
     
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    There is a very good post in Priuschat on replacing the transmission, with pictures and details. Other possible problems are 12V battery and High Voltage battery. If you are getting this car for nothing, it is worth it. Yes this thread is fine. Search everything you want to know in Priuschat until you are totally familiar with procedures and precautions. Buy a Voltmeter.
     
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    You can't hurt the rest of car by continuing to drive it with a bad transaxle. There was a story recently on the Gen II side where a user kept having intermittent HV shorts in his trans that went away with a fluid change. It is always worth a try.

    There's no easy way to test the HV battery. It can be load tested with a scan tool that is capable of reading out the battery block voltages, but even that has limited value. The other component that could suddenly go bad is the inverter, which is an electronic component that either works perfectly or doesn't work at all. Finally, check to see that the inverter cooling system is working properly.
     
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    Definitely find the couple of threads here that detail transmission replacement. Chilton does not come close. And learn how to avoid electrocution.
     
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    I looked for the post, but could not find it. If you could post a link, I'd really appreciate it.

    My friend is asking $3000 for the car. I was thinking that's a little bit high given that it may need some major repairs, but I've never bought a Prius before so have no idea on the pricing. Any thoughts on what this car might be worth?

    Thanks for everyones help on this!
     
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    I just replaced my transmission on my 03 and it's not an easy job on your drive way I have a shop with lifts and other tools for almost any thing. We removed the unit(engine/transmission)in a very short time. The transmission is very heavy. I think the labor rate called for around 10 hours which we beat. Like someone said look for a small shop with a low hourly rate and you may be better off.
    I paid $400.00 for a used transmission. This is just my parts running car so didn't want to spend alot on it.
    Good luck
     
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    Use the contact option and ask about that sticky, it was on replacing the transmission ( only ) and he used a hydraulic floor jack, in winter, 32 degrees F, in a carport. His pictures and description were extremely good. Ask Pat Wong and/or Tony Shroeder. I'll do some more searching and edit this later. :cheer2:
     
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    :D:mad::(:mod::cheer2::welcome::rockon::rolleyes::confused::(:p OK, I finally found it!!!! The thread is a sticky under Gen II Prius Technical Discussion. by dailyphotofix from Big Bear Lake, CA. The thread is called "TRANSAXLE FAILURE " This will give you an idea of what you are in for. Andy
     
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    I looked at the car today and it seems to be in great condition. He told me there was a "hum" that he heard from the left front when driving over 45 mph, but I could not hear it. I thought I heard it once while we were accelerating at low speeds, but couldn't hear anything on the highway. What I heard did not sound like a wheel bearing or CV joint. Do the electric motors make noise before they die?

    He called the Toyota dealer and they said the code was a P3120, but they did not give him the sub-codes (do I need those?). They had reset the code and it has not returned.

    There were no dashboard lights nor check engine lights currently lit.

    And unfortunately, I forgot to smell the tranny fluid.

    Any thoughts?
     
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    Just talked to my friend - the dealer didn't write down the sub-code when the pulled and cleared it.
     
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    I doubt more than a few dozen people in the entire country would be interested and able to swap out the transaxle in their driveway. The car is worth junk value, not $3000. Unless the owner tries to sell it now with the impending failure hidden.
     
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    you don't think the car has value after putting in a transmission from a junk yard?

    That sounds like a challenge.... :)
     
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    For sure it does. I meant before the repair.