System Install - 2way or 3way component - Shop says 2way

These are the current 3 way set I have and was thinking about using. Audiogear Reviews - Product Review - DLS Iridium 6.3

They have 2 crossovers (1 for the tweet and woofer, and 1 for the midrange). I was thinking of going with the Hertz HSK163 if new (but I could save money and stick with the DLS's too). IF I decide to go the 3way route.

The shop says that the 3 way would be really difficult to make sound good with the location of the 3". They REALLY recommend I go with the 2 way because the phasing would be all off and tuning would be a HUGE problem (just a lot of time to do it maybe not a huge problem).

So would the 2 way be good enough? Is it still GREAT? I am thinking the HSK165 for the two way. UNLESS I could use the DLS 3way and just NOT use the 3". Thoughts?

Now on a side note the shop did say that I could by a Audison Bit1 or Bit10 that would totally tune everything, all speakers to be perfect and it would also be a Line Driver as well (to help with my 2volt preouts on the HU I currently have). Which is the Pioneer AVIC N4.

A couple things come into play here. First: I am getting an INSANE deal on the install and equipment (whatever I want) as I know the owner pretty well. He is the one recommending that I go with the 2way (he's not an installer just knows some stuff I gather). Second: I am getting a credit for some of my old equipment that will knock the price down further for everything. I really don't want to disclose how much as I think that would be wrong of me. But let's just say it's an amazing deal on everything, including custom fiberglass sub enclosure in the side cubby hole, dynomat on everything (he said the brand doesn't matter to him as it's all the same from his suppliers), wiring, Audison or JBL M8 etc.

I am going to follow Frodoz on the install of the tweeter in the A pillar ( I don't want to custom make an A Pillar as that would totally increase the costs more than I want/need). I might put the 3" in the stock location unless I go with a 2way component set. The woofer in the doors with a nice MDF Baffle.
Placing the amp JL 900/5 under the passenger side seat (or perhaps in a custom enclosure in the trunk in the storage area along with crossovers and wiring) IF I don't put it in the storage area I will place the crossovers under the drivers seat and the amp under passenger seat. I don't think I need a Cap. I will most likely add a Line Driver (Or Bit1 or Bit10 from audison) to help with the voltage of the current HU (it's only 2.2v). It's the AVIC N4.

Any other thoughts on things?

Thanks again to everyone for their help. I really appreciate it.

Ryan

 

Frodoz thanks. Again.. I suspect I COULD get him to let me hear the 2 way and the 3 way might just cost me a little more with the installer but it might be worth it. As for the HU even at cost (which I wouldn't pay this but I would get a good discount) I am not sure I like to replace my HU as it would still be over $1000 more on the install. I am still debating on the JBL or the Audison for tuning as I am not sure I would hear that much of a difference really (although maybe I would). I thought about BI amping the speakers up front so I can adjust the tweeter and midbass separate and NOT get the Audison to save money and keep my HU. Can the shop TUNE the system WITHOUT the Audison or JBL and WITHOUT me getting the Kenwood?

I could then run the rear fill off the HU. Just for fill and to get more volume. With Line Drivers the HU will be just as good as the Kenwood (although maybe harder to tune I have no idea).

I REALLY liked the way the Hertz HSK 165's sounded so the 3 way has to be at least that good. I am hoping. Again IF I go the 3 way route. Which it sounds like I should.

Cleansky: there is a shop here in Tampa that deals with Hertz, I just assumed they could get them. I guess I have to ask him now... Although IF I go the 3 way route I might as well go with the DLS I already have I think. That would save me another $500 or so. Just wondering what others thought.

 

Well I was going to Bi amp the 900/5 for the front and then run the rear off the HU. This was they can tune it easier.

Not sure I know what you mean by processing capability. I was gong the JBL or Audison Route for processing and tuning and getting better SQ out of the Avic N4.

Btw.. Sent ya another PM figured you were busy, but if you get time let me know what you think.

Thanks
Ryan

 

Yes I mean the JBL or Audison (my shop stocks Audison and is saying it's just as good).. I am debating if it's worth the $600 for the processor at all since i am not sure I will hear the difference. I listen to MOSTLY (80%) rap and hip hop. Hardly ever Jazz, or music that I need to worry about every detailed sound.. I can then go on the cheap with the speakers I already have.
I would like it to sound really good and if that means bridging the 4 channels to 150wx2 up front (in a 2way or 3way) so they can tune it easier / better I will. Then run the rear coaxials off the HU for rear fill (I know it won't be too loud back there but it's something).

Just wondering if it would be better for ME to run the (either 2way or 3way up front) at 100w and then the rear at 100w as well using all 4 channels instead of bridging the amp to 150wx2 up front.
I am still unsure about the 3way or 2way and which would sound better (because tuning is much more difficult with 3way as well).

Does the Audison or JBL make THAT much of a difference?

Thank you for the "going active" explanation.. I really had no idea that is what it meant. Now I kinda get it.

 

Thanks for the replies gents.

Yeah I was talking about 3 way component set up front... i already planned on the rears being 6.5" coaxials...

I seriously thought that the 900/5 bridged the 4 channels into 150x2.. Damn.. Now I totally have to rethink this. Off to do some more research.

Probably (if the 900/5 can't do bridged for fronts) then 100x4 with 2way up front (have a pair of old Focal Utopia 136w's so might use those).. Then coaxials in back.

I am only doing (1) 10" sub in the back in most likely the passenger cubby hole and it will probably be the JL 10w3 as I don't think the w6 will fit.

I am debating if I even need a processor at this point to tune the system but if i do then I am def getting the JLB MS8 as it from every review is just a better tuning system in about 1/100th the time then the Audison bitOne

Ryan

 

According to JL's site and manual (that you can see here on pg 4) you can biamp the JL amplifier. It will do 150x2 + 500x1.

It can also do (2) tweeters at 100x2 and then (2) mids at 100x2 + 500x1 as well. Although you need an external 2way crossover for that function.


It looks like I am going the 2way route as it will be easier (according to some) and the coaxials in the rear. I will probably run those off the AVIC N4 HU just for some fill. Maybe add another little amp to power the rears (that is probably not going to happen though).

Ryan