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Engine Shook and Check engine light and Red Triangle

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by sockmonkey, Jul 29, 2011.

  1. sockmonkey

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    I got my oil changed today and thought everything (10 am) was fine with my car. I drove it straight home after the oil change. About 4pm I drove it to work and no problems still. Finally tonight on my way home right as I turned on to my street (thank God) the car at first seem to hesitate. Slow a bit and I pushed the accelerator. Then suddenly as I pulled in my drive way the engine began to shake as though I was about to stall and the check Engine light came on as well as the big red triangle. This has happened before. The display being lit up like a christmas tree so but this time the engine shook. I turned the car off, check the oil, which is full and the coolant which is full. The engine has not shook yet ( but I wont leave the car on for a long time to see if it happens again) the Red Triangle has turned off and now only the check engine light remains. Any ideas?
    I am going to call Firestone, that is where I got the oil change all I know is that they did a routine check up ( unauthorized by me) and told me I needed a new water pump drive belt and tires and a air filter..... So I am hoping they didn't touch something by mistake. I told the man that I would much rather have that done by the dealership.
     
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    One thing you have got to be aware of with the Prius is that many mechanics do not fully understand how it works. I'm not going to suggest your mechanic did the following but it has happened to many a Prius in the past;

    Imagine a situation where a Prius is driven onto the mechanics ramp, the engine is off as the car is upto temperature having recently been driven. A mechanic inexperienced with a Prius assumes (wrongly) that the car is now switched off as it isn't making a sound, so he empties the oil from the car. The car now senses that the engine temperature has dropped so fires up the engine which by now has no oil in it.

    BANG, CLATTER, BANG

    A few choice words are spoken, oil is filled into the engine in the hope that it isn't damaged and that the customer won't notice. The car might run for a few miles before it heats up enough to seize up.

    This is the one reason why my Prius taxi goes to the main Toyota agent for service.
     
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    I am trying to be optimistic and I hope that was not the case. I am calling them tomorrow morning. I have had a similar problem with my car before. So perhaps this is the same situation. Also I just saw there was a recall with the water pump so this might be as problem as well... Calling Firestone tomorrow and waiting to take my car into the dealership on Monday. Thanks for your advice.
     
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    Also, with the AC on the car normally runs... and isn't as quiet as it normally is... I am in Texas 105 degree weather, so there is no way the AC was turned off. Even when I went to turn my car on a few minutes ago... the car was still and quiet. As soon as I turned the AC on, it immediately began to make it's usual noises. So I really hope that was not the case.
     
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    The a/c can make a loud humming noise when first turned on - esp in hot weather.

    This is normal and due mainly to the a/c compressor turning onto full. In a non hybrid car the engine noise would usually drown out the a/c noise.
     
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    Don't fool with them. Tow it to a Toyota dealer. A dealer has a better chance of knowing what they are doing on a Prius. After a dealer diagnoses it you can fight with Firestone if they did something wrong.
     
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    ... and for the very same reason my '05 prius also goes to Toyota agent for service. Thanking to previous owner he kept all services at Toyota agent.

    Result: When I asked Toyota: Am I still covered under the 8 years hybrid warranty.
    - Toyota's response: Yes.

    Agape.
     
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    totally not helpful!
     
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    1. What does the fuel gauge read? Is it possible that you are out of gas or near that position?

    2. If your fuel level is OK then I suggest you visit your Toyota dealer so that the DTC can be read. This may have nothing to do with the work that Firestone did for you.

    3. The inverter coolant pump is the subject of the recent LSC, and that would not cause the symptoms that you posted. If the inverter overheated then you would see the various skid control ECU warning lights appear (like ((!)), ABS, VSC) and the AC compressor would stop working.
     
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    Taking it into the shop on Monday!
     
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    Interesting, no one has suggested the two most obvious possibilities: oil being too full, and the lid to the air box not being seated correctly, which has led to a contaminated MAF sensor.
     
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    Where is the air box located?
     
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    Sits on top of the engine, where the air filter goes. Also called air cleaner. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Anyway, if your MAF sensor is contaminated, that might cause some of your issues. Also, you said your oil was "full", but was it over the top dimple, or even with it?
     
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    It was over the top dimple. I called firestone and the man said they put the required amount in there yet the paper I have clearly reads they put 5 qts in there... I started my car up today... ( I have not driven it since) THe engine light is still on, and the engine has a little bit of a sputter or some sort of hesitation to it.
     
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    Sorry so I checked the oil dip stick and it's slightly over the dot.
     
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    5 qts? That's way too much, most likely what has caused the problem. Take it back and have some drained off. You may need to have the throttle body cleaned too.
     
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    The engine oil level should be checked after the car is IG-OFF for five minutes or more, and is resting on a level surface.

    What does "slightly" mean: 1/8" or less? If so, then this would not cause the engine driveability problems listed in the OP.

    Also, this observation is not consistent with the invoice showing 5 quarts of oil being used, but it would not be surprising if the invoice did not reflect the actual oil used.

    In any event, it would not hurt for the excess oil to be drained from the crankcase but I doubt that is the cause of the problems.
     
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    Started my car up and all seems well. The check engine light is on and the triangle has disapperaed. I tried to get the check engine light to turn off but it does not seem to want to shut off even though I held down the odo button and powered up...... Taking it in the shop tomorrow for the recalls on the floor mats and water pump. Wish me luck and any further suggestions would still be welcomed. Thank you!
     
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    If you really wish to clear the check engine light, you need to disconnect the 12V battery for ~5 minutes, which will clear the engine ECU DTC codes (unless the underlying cause still exists.)

    However you would do well to leave the check engine light on and the DTC alone, so that the dealer tech can retrieve the DTC and provide a diagnosis to you.