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If God Asked You For a Dime, How Would You Know It Was Him?

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  1. spiderman

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    Ah, thank you I guess... I really wasn't tracking with where he was going with that as it was off topic.

    So, hypocrisy. Do you think God would approve of man cherry picking through His word to support their point of view?
     
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    No one, and I mean no one, has the foggiest idea what a god "wants" or would "approve of". No human being alive or that ever lived ever knew, really, what he/she him/herself "wants", let alone some god; I'm not sure it's even possible for a complex intellect to ever accurately discern its own desires. For that same intellect to presume to "know" what some vague, amorphous, mysterious god wants is a preposterous, monumental conceit.

    So never mind the gods, then; whatever it or they want is irrelevant and get down to the nub that actually matters:

    Is cherry picking data to support a point of view constructive?

    Answer: No. All it does is reinforce delusion. That doesn't stop us from all doing it, but that we all do it doesn't make it constructive. For most of us it's a major achievement just recognizing that we're doing it. It's been thoroughly studied; even has a name: Confirmation Bias. 99% of the Politics branch of Fred's is solid Confirmation BS.

    OK, but is it entertaining?

    Answer: Vastly. Maybe that's why we do it so much.
     
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    You are assuming that the Bible is not the infallible word of God. Those that do believe, it is one of God's way of communicating with man. Written in many languages and distributed worldwide. There are still pockets of people out there that have not had a chance to read or hear the word for one reason or another and that is why Jesus has yet to return for the second time. He is waiting till all have had a chance to hear and make a decision. With technology these days, it can't be long.
    Great, so we do agree on something. And for those that misrepresent God's word (be it an antithesis or the Pope) will be held responsible. May God have mercy on their souls.
     
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    Time for jadziasman to jump back into the fray on this.

    spiderman, do you have faith in God or faith in the Bible or both?
    Believing that the Bible (in reality Bibles - there are as many versions as there are Christian denominations it seems) is infallible and The Word is more of a stretch than merely having faith in God. So it's seems to me that you have two beliefs. Some might say that God would be justifiably jealous.

    And, I think you'll agree it's easily more likely that you'll be long dead before the Lord returns. It really irks me when Christians claim that He will return soon. No one knows when it will be except the Father so........

    I don't believe that the Bible is infallible for many reasons I won't list here. I do have faith in God. Which is what He desires.
     
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    S/he would offer you a dime, not ask for one. Any questions will be answered mentally, not spoken. S/he will speak with courtesy and perfect grammar in your own language.
     
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    Be aware that virtually all historical experts (not "religious experts") clearly see that the "happy" start and finish of the Book of Job as being added to a much more philosophical story. As best as can be reconstructed, the original book started with Job questioning why life is so hard and the story not ending anywhere like what was added later.

    It's also worth noting that a lot of the Old Testament Books were always considered relevant stories and were not taught as history, but as stories containing the essential elements of describing the evolution of the Hebrew religion.

    If you reread Job with that approach (i.e. It was neither a happy story nor a historically accurate story), it comes across as much more interesting and re-enforces the point being discussed in this thread was also a hot topic 3000 years ago.
     
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    Both, for how would I know about God if it where not for the Bible? And what a source... it has not been proven incorrect, ever. It has been around (written form) for thousands of years as determined by the dead sea scrolls. Some that do not understand it, might say there are some inconsistencies in it but even if that is the case, they don't alter the message. On top of that, archeologist often refer to the Bible for middle east digs because of its accuracy.

    Do you mean translations? Yes, languages evolve or regress. God assures us that His word (meaning) will never change. Here is a challenge for you... rewrite the contents of the Bible to fit you fancy and publish it with the title The Holy Bible.

    I am not so sure. There are many prophecies in the Bible that have come true or are likely to happen soon. But you are absolutely correct that no one knows the day or the time. Are you ready?

    Why not, it is after a chat site.:p
     
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    That's not an assumption. The evidence that bibles are only the product of human imagination is substantial; there is no evidence of any kind that bibles have a supernatural origin.

    This insufferable jackass of a god of yours does that a lot: still punishes people for reasons mankind itself hundreds of years ago founds ways to forgive. That's an embarrassing position for a god to be in, to be less forgiving and loving than mankind.
     
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    Care to share (in regards to The Holy Bible)? Please no anecdotal stuff. :nono:

    He has given us a way back to Him and it cost Him his only son.:pray2:
     
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    It says so. The gospel according to Luke. Not the gospel according to God.

    ... it cost Him his only son.:pray2:[/QUOTE]

    Omnipotent God is incapable of knocking up yet another person's wife?
     
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    Omnipotent God is incapable of knocking up yet another person's wife?[/QUOTE]


    It was a proxy and not the creator in her bed...
     
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    You mean the Holy Ghost? Doctrine is that as part of the Trinity, the Holy Ghost is part of God, Three in One.

    I use a proxy when I do the same thing, I don't use ALL of me.
     
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    Delivered by an angel... thus proxy.
     
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    This exchange is kind of humorous in an ironic way. Any chance you two are/were catholic?
     
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    I was an alterboy... but I have left the church for my own.
     
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    "Eternal suffering awaits anyone who questions God's infinite love."

    Bill Hicks on Christianity
     
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    In other words, 'do it my way or go to hell'. Wth kinda love is that? That's not tolerance and compassion, it's hatred.
     
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    He created everything, it is His rules. Kind of like when you were growing up (I am assuming you are an adult) and your parents told you not to do this or that because they knew it wasn't good for you and could cause you pain and suffering. Of course you hated to hear that...what kid wouldn't. Grow up.
     
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    So, no response to this evidence based on an infallible source?
     
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    What evidence?