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Libya Liberated

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Trebuchet, Aug 21, 2011.

  1. xs650

    xs650 Senior Member

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    I haven't heard that term in a while.:usa2:
     
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    OK, great. Mission Accomplished.

    So, now what?

    Let's revisit in six months or a year and see how things are going.
     
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    Actually that is the point, lets not revisit it in six months to a year, and say we had.
     
  4. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    I'm in!
    Leave them be.

    The only caveat I would add is that I don't want to hear any crap about why we didn't do anything to stop them if they start misbehaving in a few years (or decades.)
     
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    What an inglorious death. Moamar Gaddafi was killed today by rebels.
     
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    Great now lets get that somebitch in pakistan and the one in cuba.
     
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  7. Trebuchet

    Trebuchet Senior Member

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    ^ Wait just one little minute there partner. Did you not hear that Obama has now pledged and called for deepened support to the fledging nation and to build a democratic system in Libya? Oh goody more billions wasted on "Nation Building" something the D's roundly condemned Bush for but I'm sure with the help of the Lame Street Media will laud Obama as a hero for doing. :rolleyes:



    BTW: just to make it clear building a democratic system in Libya :pound: are Obama's words, not mine.
     
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    On CNN, they have a link to an interview from 2009 titled 'Interviewing Gadhafi like interviewing Yoda' . Here are the 1st two paragraphs:
    Weird! But then again, it's not so surprising I guess considering his other antics and his crush on Condoleezza Rice.
     
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    Bye bye, Muammar. May your soul rot in hell.
     
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    So are we going to measure success by the amount of oil that's been "liberated" or how much profit the private contractors are raking in?
     
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    At the end of the day, Reagan didn't get Qaddafi and Bush didn't get bin Laden. Obama got them both.
     
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    Ha, by those standards it's sure to be a success.

    Me, too.
     
  14. Trebuchet

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    Oh yea Obama got'em alright. When he got bin Laden which helicopter was Obama in and who was in operational command of the Libya operation which took over 8 months to complete?
     
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    Treb...you have to learn to give credit where it's due.
    I remember when my boss was in a debate back in 07. When asked what he would do if OBL was discovered in Pakistan, he didn't hesitate a bit. I remember, because I did a double take. His answer was exactly four words:
    "I'd take him out."
    This is unusual for a Democrat/Liberal, particularly since he was, in effect, stating that he would commit an act of war on a (presumably) friendly country.
    Turns out.....he did exactly that.
    Successfully, I might add.

    OBL would probably not have had a chance to go to Pakistan in the first place if we hadn't fumbled the snap in the Stan.

    As far as Libya is concerned...I wouldn't have done it. However (comma!) he did, and he kept our involvement limited to a support role---as witnessed by the fact that it was a US asset that spotted what turned out to be a convoy that was toting the G-dude to parts unknown. The fact that a French airstrike took that convoy down speaks to the multi-national aspect of the war.

    You may rest well assured that I have my little problems with my Commander-in-Chief. I think that he's out of his depth band in more than one area however (comma---pause for effect) even a broken clock is right twice a day. One of the problems that I have with NeoCons is that they're not what you would call flexible thinkers---same as the bed-wetting liberals.

    I give my boss fairly high marks for continuing the policies set forth by the previous administration in addressing the GWOT, even when it means that he had to break political promises that he should not have made in the first place (example: GTMO.)

    JMHO!
     
  16. Hidyho

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    Which is one of the things that I'm upset by, GITMO should be closed and given back to the people we stole it from. The "terrorists" or whatever they are, should be either in Afghanistan in prison, hidden away or killed if we are never going to give them a trial and keep them in prison forever, but the stolen base closed, along with ending the embargo.

    Want to make Cuba free fast, do that, otherwise we are no better then all the enemies we supposedly hate.
     
  17. xs650

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    Is it even legal for a politician to do what he said he'd do during his campaign?:D
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    I can see that you still haven't bothered to learn anything about the Treaty of Paris, the Spanish American War, or the Cuban War of Independence.
    That's good. :)

    Two Points for you to consider:

    1. GTMO isn't a promise that my boss has to worry about paying much of a political price for breaking. What are you going to do about it.....vote for Romney? Only Kumbaya liberals are really worried about the 300 some odd mutts that we have incarcerated there. There is no "I" in GTMO by the way.
    2. Saying that we "stole" GTMO is patently false. Even the Howard Zinns of the world bother to do a little fact checking in this matter before spouting off about it. They like to say that we sucker punched a European power (Spain), under the guise of helping to liberate Cuba, under the auspices of the Monroe Doctrine. Then.....we blamed the fight on Spain so that we could solidify our illegal annexation of Hawaii by stealing the Philippines, Guam and Wake Island, and got Puerto Rico in the bargain. We then set up a puppet government in Cuba so that we could exploit the natural resources and the people of that nation----yadda, yaada.

    That's not really true either, but at least there are enough facts in their arguments to confuse the issue so that it makes it "sound good" to the average Lib.

    We've fumbled the snap in Cuba to be sure. The way I see it, Cuba is about 30 years past it's "open by" date. I spent a year there. The reason that there are about a zillion land mines around that base (all on the other side of the wire) is not to keep us from swarming over the island and debauching their beautiful "Socialist Workers Paradise"....but hey. It's their island.
    I've already stated that if I were King For A Day, I'd empty the place out and leave the northwest gate unlocked....but then, that's just me.
    I wouldn't do it for my compassion for the 300-some-odd mutts that we have locked up there, I'd do it to save money, but then.....that's not the way we do things in Washington, now is it? :cool:
     
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    Don't need to consider your ignorant argument, because the Spanish American war is well known to be a made up war by the wealthy to steal Spanish interests. Also, the Cuban War for Independence, just like the Philippians war for Independence were both destined to be put down by the US, look up history, sad you don't know it. There was a rebellion for independence in the Philippines, I know most neo-conservatives like to make up their own history.
    Philippine
    Imagine that, people fighting for independence from the United States, sad isn't it, similar to Castro's fight against the corrupt American puppet government, he even asked for America's help before we turned him down. And after Castro defeated Cuba's corrupt government, he demanded GiTMO back, I like the I, we refused, at that point, it became stolen land, because the legitimate government of Cuba demanded THEIR land back, land that we took from Spain and created our own document demanding that they sign. Oh, and we were supposed to pay for GiTMO with gold, as per the agreement, but we decided we weren't, making it even more illegal.
     
  20. Trebuchet

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    I have, over a dozen times, in fact do a thread search on "Bravo Obama" to verify my claim. What did I get from the Prog's in return? All I got was insults and silence, ergo the "fight fire with fire" motif and motto here.