1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

The Paradox of Certainty

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by airportkid, Sep 20, 2011.

  1. airportkid

    airportkid Will Fly For Food

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2005
    2,191
    538
    0
    Location:
    San Francisco Bay Area CA
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    There is a situation in the practice of medicine so critical doctors must always be alert to its possibility and guard against it. Smart patients are also alert to it and get 2nd and 3rd opinions. Call it the Found-It-Bar. A doctor reviewing a case will find evidence that the condition is Affliction X, and having arrived at a diagnosis, will stop looking further. The malady might very well be Affliction X, but having found it doesn’t mean it is the only thing wrong. Further investigation might reveal another affliction, or that it isn’t X after all but Y. A thorough physician will do a battery of tests to garner an abundance of evidence, so as not to settle too early on the first diagnosis.

    That’s what science is. Not accepting the first diagnosis that shows up on the meter.

    It’s also what resolves a curious paradox, the inverse variance between certainty and proximity to truth. It’s an old saw that the more you know, the more you realize how little you know. Those who are less certain about what they know are usually closer to the truth than those who are absolutely certain about what they consider true. In other words, if you’re so positive something is true you can’t imagine ever changing your mind about it, you’re less likely to be right than someone who can imagine changing his mind.

    It’s the Found-It-Bar at work. The dead certain person has stopped looking. The less certain person has not stopped looking. In the quest for what’s true, I think we can all accept that the first guess is most likely not it. So you keep looking. At some point you decide you’ve got enough evidence to form an opinion, and after further search the opinion hardens into a belief. I think we can all agree that the actual truth itself is probably unreachable, all we can do is get close to it. We can get close enough that we can apply the belief successfully. More or less.

    But the person who remains uncertain will continue to look. And that process of extended search will reduce the separation between the belief and the actual truth, so that the less certain person will in most cases be closer to the truth than the person who, out of dead certainty, quit looking.

    So if the last time you changed your mind about an issue or belief vital to you was so long ago you can’t remember, look out, and start looking. You’re further away from the truth than you think.
     
  2. Trebuchet

    Trebuchet Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2007
    3,772
    936
    43
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    That's because medicine is no longer science but a business. It's more cost effective to treat and street. Sorry, my first diagnosis was wrong? :eek: Here take two of these and call me in the morning.

    The other side of the coin is the phenomena of taking all further evidence and making it fit the first assumption as takes place in some fields of science.

    :pop2:
     
  3. spiderman

    spiderman wretched

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2009
    7,543
    1,558
    0
    Location:
    Alaska
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    II
    Or you can let some gamers figure it all out.
     
  4. amm0bob

    amm0bob Permanently Junior...

    Joined:
    May 29, 2008
    7,730
    2,547
    0
    Location:
    The last place on earth to get cable, Sacramento
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Model:
    II
    [​IMG]
     
  5. tonyrenier

    tonyrenier I grew up, but it's still red!

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2009
    362
    44
    13
    Location:
    Green Bay, WI
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    "The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know." Albert Einstein, one of my favorite quotes by him. I guess the vernacular would be "You can't teach a know-it-all anything".
    I think we all have a great deal of fear about uncertainty, it shows in our many prejudices, in our politics and certainly in our religion.
     
  6. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    18,058
    3,074
    7
    Location:
    Northern Michigan
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    I call it a "sanity test", where I say "I know this will work, but let's just try this anyway to make sure I'm not crazy."

    Tom
     
  7. FL_Prius_Driver

    FL_Prius_Driver Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2007
    4,319
    1,527
    0
    Location:
    Tampa Bay
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    I
    That's why I prefer good doctors over cheap doctors.
     
  8. mmcdonal

    mmcdonal Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2010
    666
    98
    16
    Location:
    Columbia MD
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    IV
    Actually, the practice of medicine is not "science," per se. There are doctors who conduct science, but they don't practice, usually. They deliver papers and the practicing doctor's provide feedback and the scientists check the results and track down causes for anomalies. More likely, a doctor has come to the edge of her knowledge of a particular practice, which is why they will refer a patient to a specialist - depending on the insurance coverage you have, and how persistent you are sometimes.

    I think you have done a good job discussing the philosophy of science, which is what you are bordering on here.

    btw, I always say, "I can't know everything because I am not young enough."
     
  9. hyo silver

    hyo silver Awaaaaay

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2005
    15,232
    1,563
    0
    Location:
    off into the sunset
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    After 8 posts? I'm certain there's more to it than that, though I could be wrong. Because, obviously, we can be convinced and wrong at the same time. :cool: