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Dealer used a second-hand coolant pump? What should I do?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by uart, Oct 25, 2011.

  1. vertex

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    The dealer never changed the part. You could have had a bad electrical connection, broken wire etc. Rebuilt parts are repainted.
     
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    Even with warranty work there's an invoice. I would go back and ask them for it.
     
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    ^ I agree. I have been three different times for warranty work and have received a service report with full description of parts used, etc. I would definitely ask for the service report and review it with the service manager.

    I just picked up my car yesterday after having the front and rear brake TSB completed. The service report included all of the parts used along with part numbers.
     
  4. uart

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    Arhh, you guys were right, they hadn't even touched it! They flat out lied and told me that they'd done the recall (two separate people there told me that it was done). They even said as they gave me the key-fob back, "there you go, it's been replaced under warranty, no charge to you". Now as this guy said this he was looking at the paper-work, and at the time I even thought he had kind of a coy look on his face, like something wasn't quite right. So I was expecting him to give me a copy of the paperwork or something but he quickly slipped it away under the counter and just gave me the key-fob and nothing else. Yeah I thought it seemed a bit sus at the time.

    They had even placed one of those paper mat things on the floor to make it look like they'd done something (they put these on the floor when they service a car as like a courtesy to keep it clean when they get in and out of it). Yet they did nothing! Now they claim that the part was out of stock so they couldn't do anything and that it was a "mistake" that I was told it was done. I can guarantee that if I hadn't checked and came back to challenge them over this they would never have even told me of their <cough cough> "mistake".

    I'm really annoyed with them over this, I waited two weeks to get the job done (booked in two weeks ago). They took the car for the whole day at considerable inconvenience to me. They had ample opportunity to tell me that they didn't even have the new part (if that's even the truth and not just some story to try to cover up their scam) both when I dropped off the car in the morning and again when I picked it up in the afternoon. Arrh I'm so mad over this, I'm going to try and find another dealer to (really) do the recall tomorrow.
     
  5. uart

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    BTW. All of this raises one interesting technical issue.Two weeks ago the pump wasn't working properly. I checked the reservoir pretty carefully and could detect no circulation. I even put my hand on the pump and couldn't feel it running (tried in both Ig-On and Ready modes).

    At first I thought if I take it for a drive the pump might get bumped back into action or something, so I drove it for short trips and kept checking, but it didn't start working. So then I stopped bothering to check it, but kept driving it for a lot of short trips over the next 12 days. Is it possible that it just spontaneously starting working again during those 12 days. If the dealers never even touched the car (which is what they are now claiming after I confronted them over the issue) then I cant think of any other possibility. Does anyone know if/how this could have happened?
     
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    I don't know how the inside of the pump looks but if it works by way of bearings like a computer fan does (think Yate Loon or Scythe 120mm fan for an example) then I've seen bearings get old enough that the friction is right on the edge of the motors ability to spin the hub/blades. When that happens a slight surge in power will start it spinning or a gust of air or a bump that gives it just enough of a nudge in the right direction. But eventually the friction becomes too great and it'll stop spinning again.

    Also it always takes more power to start than it does to maintain speed. Often to the tune of twice the power to start vs running at the slowest speed that would overcome friction.

    In short a failing part can work some times and not others as it's part of a larger system.

    Best thing to do is just replace it.
     
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    Boy! You'd almost think some auto dealers are not honest.
     
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    Sorry to hear about your experience. Your experience makes my recent brake TSB experience seem like a minor issue. At least my SA did not lie to me and was honest and up front about his mistakes.

    This does not bode well for Toyota dealers. I am sure there are many more good, honest dealers than they are less than satisfactory ones but we keep hearing more and more stories on PC. It seems like Toyota needs to do more on dealer service quality than just send out surveys.
     
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    This is an odd one. From my experience with other types of factory dealerships the factory reimburses the dealer the labor and parts. The dealership has to produce the recalled or warranty replaced parts and the paperwork supporting that they did in fact do the work. I am wondering what would be their motive to lie to you? I would contact Toyota about this experience. I would not have these hillbillies do or pretend to do any work on your car though.
     
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    Really ashame. Another "unethical" dealership service experience. It's not just Toyota, it's not just Prius, it happens throughout the industry. But as cars become more and more "dealer" specific with their needed service, I just hate to hear these stories.

    Any work done or not done, and exactly what was done or not done should be told to the customer...honestly.

    I think unfortunately it's incumbent upon US as owners to demand paperwork and receipts. Things have deteriated to the point where you simply can't trust a handshake and a statement. .....and that's sad. Of course a receipt or even paperwork can be faked...but at least it gives you grounds when you go home and notice your "new" part looks like it was brought up from a sunken ship.

    I'm wondering if given the disaster and tragedy in Japan if Toyota isn't encouraging dealerships to order less new parts? Don't know how robust their supply chain is at the moment.

    That's not an excuse for what happened, but it could explain the attempt to avoid putting in a new part or obtaining a new part.
     
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    Let's see, tech pulls car into bay and then goes to lunch, writer see car sitting there with hood closed and pulls it out. "Here you go, no charge". :D
     
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    In my profession we often use anti-sabatoge inspection lacquer, a.k.a. Torque Seal to let us know if something has been tampered with or if it loosens of its own accord. OPCO - Inspection Seal Lacquer
    You could put this on the hardware securing parts or from part to part so you can tell if it was worked on or not. It is a good piece of mind for a couple of dollars or less per tube. A tube should last you quite a while.

    torque seal - Google Search

    F-900 “TORQUE SEAL†<br>YELLOW COLOR from Aircraft Spruce
     
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    uart, I'm really sorry you've had such a s__t experience. Hope there is a better dealer where you live.
     
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    Just a quick update.

    I had to wait two weeks to get the job booked in at an alternate dealership, but today I finally got the job done properly. I went to another nearby dealer and now I have the new water pump fitted. It looks like a good job, pump is definitely shiny and new, and coolant looks new and is circulating nicely. :)

    BTW. It looks like they gave the car a wash too. I think these guys will get my business from now on. :D
     
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    So the other dealer did it for free again? That's amazing. Presumably they agree that the first dealer actually skipped the job? Have you talked to Toyota about this?
     
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    No one did any work at the first dealer. So the second dealer couldn't do it "again".

    The most disturbing part of this to me was that you (uart) could have fried your inverter if (when) the pump failed, especially because you would have believed that the repair had already been done and was not a likely cause of inverter overheating.

    You should consider reporting this to Toyota Customer Service (or the Australian equivalent) if for no other reason to protect other customers from the first dealer.
     
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    Yeah I too was wondering about what would happen if I tried to book it in at another dealership. However I went back to the fisrt dealer to complain the very next day after the event, so perhaps they cancelled their claim to Toyota, (or didn't even submit it if they hadn't already done so).

    It was about four days later before I went to the alternate dealer to make the booking and I told them what had happened, so they checked on their computer to see if that job had been claimed, which it hadn't.

    Oh well, since they didn't claim it then perhaps it could have just been an honest mistake due to a miscommunication at the first dealer. But either way I wasn't very impressed with them.
     
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    Yeah my wife was furious with them when I told her what they'd done. She drives the car alone on a 50km (each way) commute and was very annoyed that she could have been left stranded out in the middle of nowhere due to this. Fortunately in this instance I checked their work, but I know that the majority of owners probably wouldn't even have known where the HV coolant pump was located.

    Re reporting them to Toyota corporate. I was definitely going to do that if I found out that they'd claimed for the job and not done it. However when I found out that they hadn't claimed I thought I'd let it slide, since they'll easily be able to claim incompetence (or more politely, mis-communication) rather than fraud.