Should medical personnel be forced to participate in abortions?

Absolutely not, they should always be free to quit their job. Being required to work is slavery.

On the other hand, should they choose to show up to do a job, they should expect to do that job. Garbage men do not get to choose to only empty non objectionable cans. Police cannot refuse to transport smelly perpetrators, etc.

I am sorry if you went to 4 years of nursing school without considering what a nurse does. Nursing homes need help, most do not have an OB/GYN section.

 

they can discontinue the service. not all hospitals offer all medical services.

 

Being againist forced work makes me an OWS supporter? (I am not)

 

Elective... heck yes! In case of emergencies... hmm.

 

Think of the difference between the military draft and what we have now. Two thoughts:

1) Economics can make this a non-issue

2) What do you do about someone who keeps performing extremely poorly when forced?

 

The only thing being held to the Nurses head is a paycheck. The Nurse/s should get a post where he/she/they are not assisting in procedures they find objectionable!

 

An employee of a private organization follows organizational policy and the law.

(Similarly an agency acting on behalf of government should follow the law and government policy.)

The law would have to provide an exception. It doesn't, AFAIK, and I don't think it should.

 

Let me guess where that source comes from

 

No need to guess

New Jersey Nurses Face Job Loss for Refusing to Assist in Abortions - U.s. - Catholic Online

The nurses have the right to not participate in abortions, the hospital has the right to require it's staff to perform legal procedures.

Last I heard Catholic hospitals don't perform abortions except for limited emergencies. Those nurses should go find employment at one.

 

Every company has the right to offer whatever legal goods and services it feels is necessary/profitable. That's the whole basis of our economy. Likewise, employees have the right to choose where they want to work - we did away with slavery and indentured servants a long time ago.

Under our laws, if you object to something your employer is doing, you have the option to quit or strike. Unfortunately for them, in this economy those aren't very attractive options...

As far as the article goes, I don't know how the law actually addresses this situation - if it is explicitly illegal to require a voluntary employee to perform a medical procedure he or she objects to (on moral, not medical grounds).

Personally, I think we, as a country, need to sit down and figure out the whole abortion thing, and our parties (BOTH of them) are hurting the discussion. This isn't a Republican/Democrat issue. It's not a right/left issue. It's a theological question concerning when life begins, a medical question concerning the health of all parties involved, a personal rights question involving the sanctity of the human body, a cultural question involving constructive home life for all children, and a global question involving overpopulation of our planet.

 

Please read. No where in that article does it claim "15 out of the 16 nurses in the hospital have signed declarations".... It says that 12 nurses have filed a lawsuit. This from a teaching hospital with how many nurses employed? Trebuchet is yet again spinning what "facts" may exist to be rhetorical in his talking points.

 

Nobody should be required to do any job they find objectionable. But if you choose to work in the medical profession, you should be willing to perform medical procedures. MANY people do jobs they find objectionable because of limited economic opportunities.

The garbage collectors mentioned above probably find their stinky job objectionable. Janitors probably find the cleaning of bathrooms objectionable. They do it because they have to work to pay the rent and put food on the table.

Nursing is no different. Do the job or quit the job. When they applied for work at the hospital they knew, or should have known, that abortions were performed there. I have the highest respect and the greatest fondness for nurses. I've had three operations, and the nurses were always far more sympathetic and caring than the doctors who cut on me. (Which is not to minimize the crucial and life-saving work of cutting on people.) But where would I have been if the nurse who had to remove my urinary catheter after the operation had refused to do so because she found touching my dick to be objectionable?

Do the job or quit the job.

And thank you to all nurses for the caring work you do.

 

Agreed. Which is why we'll never come to an agreement as long as we have religious diversity. Some religions will insist (with zero physical evidence, purely as a theological matter) that a soul enters an egg the moment a sperm enters it, and obstructing the development of that egg in any manner constitutes murder. Other religions will say that this is not the case. Some philosophies will insist that pregnancy imposes an obligation on a woman to place the well-being of the developing fetus above her own life. Others will say that the two are equal and the woman must give equal weight to the fetus's well-being as to her own. And yet others will insist that a woman's body is her own, to do what she likes with. And a few (though I think this category is a minority) will see a fetus as a parasite, to be treated as such.

Roe v. Wade established a legal compromise, but as a society we'll never agree.

There are some moral dilemmas that have no easy answers, and some social controversies that will never yield to consensus.

 

I wonder if the discussion would be the same if the word "forced" had been replaced with "obliged". There is nothing wrong with spelling out the requirements of a job and requiring employee compliance.

There is a big problem with adding or changing the requirements of a job, just as there is a big problem with employees refusing to perform the job they were hired for.

 

As long as a medical procedure is defined as LEGAL I believe medical professionals are obligated to perform the task at hand. Otherwise, the door is that way -->

 

It's common in interviews to mention job duties may include something such as an abortion procedure ... if they reveal that up front, that's legal.

While abortion has been described as a religious issue, it's also a moral issue ... some non-religious people consider terminating a fetus as ending the life of a person, even to the point of conception.

 

While I am not against abortion, I do not believe any nurse or doctor should be required to perform something that may go against his/her beliefs UNLESS the patient's life is in jeopardy. Then the oath they took should come into play.


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