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Should medical personnel be forced to participate in abortions?

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Trebuchet, Nov 3, 2011.

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Should medical personnel be forced to participate in objectionable procedures?

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  2. No

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  1. JimboPalmer

    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

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    Still confused. I cited a 2000 case in the APPEALS court in the SAME hospital, which means it was years earlier than that when the policy went into effect. I have to believe you invent 'facts' as they occur to you.

    Two examples of abortions that may be medically necessary than would not normally be ER level necessary:
    if a mother has breast cancer and requires immediate chemotherapy to survive that can kill the baby

    if a mother has life-threatening seizures that can only be controlled by medication that will kill or severely deform her unborn child

    The most common ER level medically needed abortion:
    an ectopic pregnancy, which is when the embryo attaches somewhere inside the mother’s body in a place other than the inner lining of the uterus
     
    #61 JimboPalmer, Nov 17, 2011
  2. Trebuchet

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    I invented facts? Please point out which facts I've invented. :glare: If anyone is messing with facts around here it's you. The case you cited is not relevant to the issue at hand. You're comparing a nurse challenging her termination for refusing to participate in a emergency D&C procedure in the ER. You've found one rare case, I don't know all the facts BUT if it were a true emergency wherein life was at risk then this nurse should have assisted.

    In the present case nurses are being forced to participate in elective abortions performed in the OR, i.e. non-emergeny. Abortions are NEVER performed in the ER, ever. The VAST portion of abortions performed are elective not a medical necessity.

    In almost every case when an emergency D&C is required the patient is moved to the OR and the procedure is done there under the care of OB/Gyn's or other qualified surgeons, not ER doctor's. IF the distinction between performing emergency D&C's and being forced to participate in elective abortions still eludes you go talk to someone else, maybe efusco can help. I've done all I can. :yo:
     
    #62 Trebuchet, Nov 20, 2011
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    If you have done all you can, then not much was done.
     
    #63 Hidyho, Nov 22, 2011
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    I guess he can't. :glare:
     
    #64 Trebuchet, Nov 23, 2011
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    I have found a case that using the only facts I could confirm seems to be the same hospital being sued for the same problem, but only a single nurse. You appear to be discussing the same hospital, the same problem, but many nurses. Sadly, while I can find a law review of the single nurse case, you seem unable or unwilling to provide an abstract of the case you are promoting. I of course, have no facts you have not spoon fed us. it is hard to imagine how I would get facts on a case you have not named. Looking up my best guess got a case you find to be unrelated as it just involves the same defendant and the same complaint, but new plantiffs. My guess is it is 'unrelated' because the hospital won, so it does not prove your point very well. My guess (and it is only a guess as you won't allow independent reading on 'your' case) is that having failed the first time, the nurses conspired to make a case they could win.
     
    #65 JimboPalmer, Nov 25, 2011
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    You are wrong. :yo: Cases are not the same as I outlined.
     
    #66 Trebuchet, Dec 9, 2011
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