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Weight loss back on track (I think/hope)

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  1. daniel

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    At the start of 2011 I was 30 pounds over my ideal weight of 130 lbs, 25 pounds over my acceptable weight of 135. I am 5' 6.5" and small-boned without much muscle mass. (As a jogger, the lower weight is preferred.) And I was trending up. So I joined Weight Watchers. To lose weight you simply have to eat less and exercise. But that's much harder to do than to explain. A few years ago I tried Nutri-Systems, but their diet is not particularly healthy, and I was not able to stick with it. I tried simple calorie counting but lacked the strength of will. A long time ago I tried Overeater's Anonymous, but their twelve-point program, with its reliance on belief in a "higher power" had no meaning for me.

    I've been an exercise addict for decades, so that part was not a problem. But overeating has always been my downfall.

    Weight Watchers has no required foods and no prohibited foods. But every food as a point value and you are limited to a certain number of points per day. They offer some foods for sale, but there is no requirement to buy them. They're just for convenience, as they are labeled with their points value. Points are skewed to encourage healthy eating: healthy foods have fewer points than their calorie content alone would indicate, and unhealthy foods have more. Meetings are run by trained leaders who provide tips and ideas ranging from recipes to ways to deal with social eating situations to dealing with emotional issues around eating. You can ask questions, and there is group support.

    I joined in February, and by mid-July, when I went off for my six weeks of summer hiking, I had lost 15 pounds. I never try to lose weight on vacation, because I do active vacations. As a rule, I don't gain weight on vacation.

    After my summer hiking, I only had a couple of weeks at home before going off to swim with dolphins on Bimini, and I failed to stay on the program during those two weeks because it just seemed pointless for such a short period. (That was an excuse, and a poor one, but just comes down to the difficulty of geting back on the program.) By the time I got home again, and recovered from travel, and got back on the program, I had gained about 3 pounds from my July weight.

    October and November I've been in a kind of holding pattern. I've been on the program, but always going a few points over my limit, and not losing any weight.

    But now I believe I'm back on track. I figured out a couple of things I was doing differently, and which I've restored to how I was doing them during those first 5 months, and I seem to be losing weight again. My weight loss on this program is slow, but slow is healthier. People who lose weight too fast almost invariably put it back on. I think I'm back on track to reach my goal (135 lbs) before next summer's hiking season. Last summer, 15 pounds lighter than the summer before, I could feel the difference, and the guides and owners at my favorite hiking lodge commented on how much faster I was moving. Another ten pounds lighter than this year, and I expect next year to be even better.

    With Weight Watchers, if you reach your goal and maintain it, you get "lifetime" membership, and meetings and weigh-ins are free, as long as you keep your weight down. My declared goal is 137 lbs, which allows two lbs for clothing. If I can make it by spring and hold it for half a year, I may try to get down to 130 for the following summer. But I'd be happy if I could get down to 135 and keep it there. I am uncharacteristically optimistic. I believe I can do this.

    Time for exercise. For me that's the easy part...
     
  2. hyo silver

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    My doctor once asked me if I got enough exercise. Despite being very active and fit, I said no. She laughed, then explained that the people who didn't get enough exercise always said that they did, and the people who genuinely did said no. So, if that's the easy part for you, then that's the hardest part dealt with. Most people don't have the time or motivation.

    Given your age, height, and weight, I'd be more focussed on gaining muscle mass, and not so worried about the number on the scale. The healthier you can eat, the better, but it sounds like you've got that part figured out, too. I'd guess maybe 80% of the population would happily trade you body type, so don't expect much sympathy for your 'weight problem.' ;)
     
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    I have enough time, but totally lack the motivation. Being a bachelor with a house, and working 10-7 during the week makes it difficult for me. I'm not a morning person, and getting up early has always been tough for me to do.

    I'm *trying* to eat healthier, but we'll see how long that lasts. I tend to go through spurts during the year, and my weight might fluctuate 5-10 lbs during the year. I weighed in at 195 with clothes a month ago, and I'm about 5'10". I have a few lbs to lose around the mid-section, but I don't consider myself to be "obese" at all, just a few extra lbs from where I'd like to be.

    I'm hoping to get a good tax return here this year, pay down some debt, and be able to get an exercise bike to put downstairs next year. We shall see how that works out, though!
     
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    I read an Anthony Robbins book many years back that literally changed my life. Many people mock the "self help" thing but I read as much as I can and take away what works for me.

    The thing that got to me the most was the point that those who "try" often fail.
    When someone tells you that they are trying to stop smoking, make a note and six months later check up on them. When someone tells you that they don't smoke anymore, they truly believe that as a person they are no longer a smoker. It doesn't matter the action or endeavor, I personally work by the philosophy that I am either one type of person or another: healthy or not, active or lethargic, smoker or not, intelligent or ignorant, ambitious or ambivalent, etc.

    So in my mind, it's not a question of whether you want to lose weight or not, it's determining whether you HAVE to lose weight and then making it happen. Because if you don't you're just another statistical overweight guy.

    I can't wait to read the bashing I'm about to receive.
     
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    I actually don't feel that I get "enough" exercise. But I know how much I can do. If I try to do more, I bonk. When I was in my 40's, I jogged, at about a 9:30 pace, for 3 miles 5 days a week, and 6 miles once a week, with a day off. That was on good weeks. But was my "normal" routine. Now I jog 35 minutes at a 13:20 pace, or I ride the exercise bike 45 minutes. I exercise 2 or 3 days in a row, and then take a day off. This averages to around 5 days a week. The past couple of weeks I've been able to stay on the bike for an hour, though today I was more tired and decided to stop at 45 minutes. I've learned what is too much.

    I didn't start this thread to get sympathy. I started it as a way of putting myself on the spot. It will now be very embarrassing to admit that I quit and didn't make my goal.

    Health-wise I'm extremely fortunate. When I was 30 I could not run 200 meters. Now I can run 2 1/2 miles, and I hope to be able to get back to 3 miles when I reach my weight goal.

    Adding muscle mass is problematic because my shoulders are in such bad shape that I've been unable to lift weights. I've done it off and on, most recently with a personal trainer to help me work around the joint problems, but it always ends up hurting. I have a Bowflex machine, though, and I intend to start using it again, gently. My legs are strong, but my upper body is weak.
     
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    I've heard the same thing before. It's difficult for me with my work schedule, and having 7 not necessarily be a "set in stone" ending time. There's been days where that's become an average of 8 or 9pm, so getting home and making a meal just isn't in the cards at that point for me.

    The weekend is typically my "make meals and save them" time, but if I'm busy with other stuff, meals don't get made.

    I could go non-stop everyday and get everything done, but I'd rather have some time to relax and I like to watch football on Sunday's during the winter. In summer, I'm usually outside.

    I know, excuses are like...uhhh, a word that'll get me in trouble here :D. I work within what I have, and get done what I can get done. There's only so much I control. Yes, I could easily stop and get a sub for dinner instead of a burger, and that's something I am working to get better at.
     
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    I strongly suggest a real bike instead. To take something that can improve your mental and physical health by letting you see the world at your own speed, but then crippling it and imprisoning it in the dungeon, is just plain wrong. Go outside and play. :)


    Which was exactly my doctor's point. :)

    In theory, the more you do, the more you should be able to do. Your 'stopping point' will always vary with mood, the weather, how much sleep you had, and what you had to eat yesterday. But, with regular exercise and the healthful attitude of never getting quite 'enough', you should be getting stronger and faster. Or at least keeping up with entropy.

    That's not so far off my own situation. Cycling and walking are great for my legs and lungs, but don't do anything for my arms. Old shoulder injuries tend to flare up when I try weights, or even do too much gardening/landscaping. I should try a trainer.
     
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    I was 160 pounds back in 1968... but by the time I got out of High School I was 225...

    last year I was over 260... this year I am under 200, which is less than I was when I was a senior in HS on the football/baseball team...

    I am shooting for 180 by the middle of next year if not sooner... but it is not as easy as I thought it would be with my schedule and what the cook at the house makes for everyone to consume at dinner time...

    I bet with your drive Daniel, you'll succedd a lot sooner than I will.
     
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    No bashing, but I disagree. "Believing" you will accomplish something may be helpful, but it's far from an assurance of success. Likewise, an attitude of sincere effort is by no means predictive of failure.

    One of my most successful endeavors was learning Spanish. I was never good at languages. I approached the Spanish teacher and said "I don't know if I can do this, but I want to try." Eight years later, after one year in that teacher's class, a semester with another teacher, and six years in Mexico and Spain, I was working as a translator in a legal aid office and the lawyer who supervised me said I was the best translator they had ever had in the decade she'd been working there. My verbal skills were not as good as my written skills, but I could converse fluently on pretty much any subject of interest to me.

    And, in my case, get hit by a car and spend the rest of my life in a wheelchair if I survive. I never learned to ride a bike as a child, and it never became second nature to me. I was okay on the deserted tertiary highways of rural North Dakota, but in city traffic, or even a crowded bike trail, forget it!

    Up to a point. If this was open ended anybody could run a thousand miles. I think it's unreasonable to expect to run as many miles per week at 63 as I ran at 40. There is a limit to what you can do. The trick is to work up to that limit without imagining you are superhuman. There's a point of diminishing returns, where injury and exhaustion become greater than benefit.

    It's possible. I'm closer to my goal than you are to yours. And the only food in my house is what I bring in; the only food on my table is what I put there.

    At WW meetings I hear the struggles of people who must deal with the temptations of food that other people want to have around. Most members are women, and nearly all must cook for husbands food that's more fattening than they'd choose to have around. It's easier for them when a couple both join and go on the program together.
     
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    Hopefully, Wick1ert has stronger knees and a better sense of balance than you do. If not, then by all means, he could try a stationary bicycle. From the perspective of someone whose horizons were greatly expanded by cycling, it seems a shame not to ride outside.
     
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    I rode outside in North Dakota for several years, and loved it. There were hardly any cars on my road. Maybe ten cars an hour on average. And the road was so straight that I had plenty of time to be ready. Then I developed a really bad inflammation in my IT band, which was so painful, it put a stop to my riding. By the time my knee was okay again, I had lost what little balance I had, and I would have had to teach myself to ride all over again. And even when I was riding, it took me a full minute to organize in my mind what I had to do to stop and get off without falling over. Starting only took me about a half a minute to organize. That was always easier than stopping.
     
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    Look at this stuff . . . HCG Diet

    It's been around for about 50 years. I like that it keeps my food craving down.
     
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    I have decent knees (sports hurt them a little) and good balance. My issue is the roads I'd have to ride on getting to anywhere are 2 lane, no shoulder, and no buffer zone. I'd love to ride outside, but if riding outside requires me having to drive somewhere safer to ride, I'd rather do it at home. I've seen how the people drive on the road outside my neighborhood, and usually it's 45-50 MPH (35 PSL), not to mention I deal with Mall/Target/Costco traffic. If there were bike lanes and/or shoulders to ride in, I'd be more than willing to do it.
     
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    Yet another sad reminder that cities are built for cars, not people. I've ridden indoors, too, when it's just too wet and cold and dark outside, and it's better than not riding at all. A regular bike on rollers is better for you than a stationary bike, but still, some exercise is better than none, so do whatever works for you.

    Before you make your investment, you might try a few bikes at fitness centres, or even a local bike shop. It's possible they might have some suggestions on where to ride.
     
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    daniel; my body type is the same as yours, i am a bit taller so i want my ideal weight to be 150. i have not been there since 2003. but i have been with 15 lbs of it. i consider my minimally acceptable max weight to be 160 but i also feel that my feeling of overall general health to be more important.

    there has been times where i was getting good exercise (i used to ride my bike 15 miles every morning before work and did it 7 days a week weather permitting and went to the gym during winter) but still not losing the weight and i was ok with that.

    but now that i am getting older, i am getting lazier. part of it is my Son coming along which takes a lot of the free time i used to have to exercise. so still trying to work that in. i did get an elliptical so going out of the house is not needed. but its boring and my Son seems to use it more than me

     
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    That stuff is pure quackery. However, if the placebo effect helps you, then more power to you. Diet drugs that actually work (e.g. amphetamines) do so by raising your metabolism, with a host of very nasty side effects. Then when you stop taking them, your metabolism falls, and the weight comes back on. If you don't stop taking amphetamine-class drugs, you'll end up psychotic. There are drugs that have similar but less pronounced effects, which cause you to lose weight slower, with less pronounced side effects, but similar.

    From WebMD:
    The bottom line is that there are two classes of diet drugs: The ones that will kill you, and the ones that don't do anything. You are better off with the latter. The only disadvantage to them is that you are wasting your money.

    You should definitely try out exercise bikes before buying one. AVOID stationary bikes that use a caliper-style brake on a wheel for resistance. The resistance is too uneven. Good ones use a fan, or a water-wheel, or magnets, or something of the sort for resistance. Some have levers for an upper-body workout. That's a matter of preference. The important thing is that the resistance be smooth.
     
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    daniel if you are getting a machine, get the elliptical. it tends to be less shocking to the joints and the handles allows exercise "above the heart" which stresses the body better and tones the arms a bit as well.

    only thing that got me is its nearly impossible to read while on it. i do frequently read the news and what have you on my phone but its a tougher because of the bouncing around.
     
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    Yet people are losing weight left and right using this program.
     
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    I've heard the same about the elliptical. The down side for me, is they tend to be even more expensive than just a regular exercise bike. I'm still weighing my options, since it'll probably be a few months before I even have somewhere for it.

    HYO - I forgot to multi-quote as I got most of this typed out now. You are correct, cities are designed more for cars. Well, actually, most cities have sidewalks you can ride on, it's the suburbs that are designed even more so for cars. The only road I'm not willing to ride on is the one right in front of my neighborhood. The rest have a shoulder or bike section. I would love to ride a bike to work in warmer weather, but without a shower at work, I don't think any of my co-workers would appreciate it lol. It's actually a shame, because my company keeps talking about being more energy efficient and "green". I would think this would be a great way to help further that along.
     
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    I'm proud of you, Daniel. I wish I could get back on a real exercise program. My body is falling apart while on thids chemo thing. One of the drugs I use reduces your bodys ability to produce a protein required for the creation of blood vessels. This is supposed to reduce tumor growth since they have very robust blood vessel systems. As such it would be difficult for me to really exercise and the doctor says I should avoid it for now. He suggests mild exercise like walking. *rolls eyes*

    Anyway, I am glad to see you working on staying healthy. We need you around here so any years you can add to your life is good IMO. :)