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  1. Ncage1974

    Ncage1974 Junior Member

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    I'm thinking on offering my local dealership $23,000 for a base mode (i think based upon what they are offering the car for) 2011 Prius II. I just don't want to sit there for hours hagling. According to truecar the dealer cost is $22,336 and the best local price is $22,401. I do have a trade in and expect the dealer to give me around what kbb says they should give me for my car. The dealer has 24,560 on the car.

    Considering i'm well ahead on my car and they are offering 1.9% for 60 months with 2 years maintenance seems.
     
  2. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Is it a 2011 or a 2012?
    What's KBB say for the trade-in value for your car?

    If you're trading your present car in, then you're already leaving money on the table. If you take the dealer's "low-ball" interest rate in lieu of a lower cash price, then you may be leaving even more money on the table. Finally, there always seems to be dealer installed options and the dreaded "documentation" fees that have to be backed out of the deal in order to determine the true cost of the car.

    Here's what "I" would do:
    1. Slow down! Prices for G3's are trending downward. Fuel is low (for now) and supplies for new G3's are up. You're in the "land of Lincoln" which has been pretty hard hit by the current economic morass. Dealers there are a little more hungry there than they are out on the left coast and in other areas.
    2. Try to sell your current ride rather than trading it in---especially if it's in good shape. Even if you get KBB's trade-in value plus a few hundred dollars, you'll be money ahead. Oh...the dealer might be able to offer you what seems like more money for your trade-in, but they're going to get it back out of you before you sign your life away on the new car.....trust me!
    3. Negotiate an OUT THE DOOR price through several dealerships. You can usually do this on-line. Tax, title, tag, first tank of gas, etc. Do this separately from any consideration for what they'll offer you for your present ride. If you must go to a showroom, leave your trade-in at the house. Like I said before...you're looking at two separate deals. You're selling your present car, and you're BUYING their car.
    4. Go to a credit union and see what rates you qualify for a new car purchase. GET PRE-APPROVED for a new car loan before you go to the dealer, then after you've negotiated for the price of the new car, you can offer the finance manager a chance to beat your loan---for the same OTD price. They probably won't be able to---but if you have stellar credit, they might.

    DO NOT buy an extended warranty from the dealer!!! If you're considering this coverage for your new car (and you really shouldn't be) then you can purchase the OEM warranty later, and for a lower price.

    If the lender (or the dealer) tells you that you need GAP insurance STOP! Something's wrong. You might not be able to afford a new car yet. (sorry!)
    If you reallllllly think that you need GAP, then your insurance company can sell this to you a little more cheaply.

    NEVER buy credit life coverage, or any of the other bolt-on's that the finance manager will try to offer you. You're buying a CAR. That's all you should need for now.

    Good Luck!
    (you might need it!) :D
     
  3. Ncage1974

    Ncage1974 Junior Member

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    Thanks for the reply. According to KBB the dealership should almost give me 25k for my car. I'm ahead on my car for like 9k. I'm going to definitely take the lower interest rate over $500 off. I might end up financing it for 36 months. FYI: I do have steller credit but if possible i'm going to get the 36 month 0% financing through toyota. I won't be buying an extended warranty. If something goes wrong after 3/36 then i'll pay for it. So even if i'm not interested in the options on the III you would still opt for a III? I really don't care about the 6 speaker system which is what the III seems to offer over the II.

    I really don't want to go through the hassle of selling my car privately. I'm sure i could get more for it but i only have one car so and even if i'm able to be $1000 ahead id rather just go through the dealership.

    I've went through a few of the local dealers websites and i'm not sure i'm quite sure how to negotiate the OTD price. None of them had anyway to do this over the web that i could see. I'll make sure when i'm negotiating that i tell them OTD price. So would 23k OTD be descent?

    If they try to give me less than what kbb is suggesting for my car then i'll walk or if they try to add additional fees or tell me to get toyota's special financing then there are stipulations then i'll walk. I have about 5 close dealerships (within an hour) that i can haggle with.
     
  4. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Most dealerships have (or pretend to have) an internet sales associate.
    Negotiating on-line is pretty easy, actually. Go to their web site and select a G3 from their stock, and have them email you a purchase order for that car. This will detail purchase price, tax, tag (including any documentation fees) and so on. If none of the 5 dealerships in your area are willing to do this, then I'd expand my search area....but really. People negotiate on line all the time.
    THEN...all you have to do is take the quote to the dealership and haggle over the trade in value for your present vehicle.
    I still think that lowest cash price with buyer financing might trump Toyota's financing. My Credit Union is offering 1.9% for up to 48-months. Sharpen up a couple of pencils and compare. Most dealers offer "special" financing for an added cash price. I've never come out ahead using dealer financing, buuuuut YMMV! ;)
    It might take a couple of trips, but I maintain that if you're willing to take the effort, there will be a dealership-----even a TOYOTA dealership that will want to move a unit for invoice plus tax with no added fees.
    Shop.
    Haggle.
    BE WILLING to drive away.

    Let us know how you make out.....and GOOD LUCK!!!! :D
     
  5. Rupert B Puppenstein

    Rupert B Puppenstein Active Member

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    I did the consumer reports lowest price report, added on the taxes and title fee and went into my dealer with that amount. But, ended up getting it lower. So, I think you can do better. I ended up e-mailing different dealerships - my insurance carrier has a car buying service - zag that gave me the lowest prices, I did that report, e-mailed them the price I wanted and started a bidding war. In the end, I got a much better price for the II than I had expected. Just expect that you may have to drive some distance to get the best rate. I did all the negotiating through e-mail, not over the phone so that I had it in writing and decided to go to the dealer closest to where I live and just told them what I wanted and low and behold, got a bit under that.

    It wasn't the most fun of a process, but it was the shortest time I was at the dealership - one hour!! My first car buying experience was nearly six hours. :eek:
     
  6. Rebound

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    I bought a 2010 Prius II and the out- the-door price was $25,000 or just a bit more. Our tax rate here is about 10%.

    I would email as many area dealers as possible to get a price quote. In California and most states, they have fixed tax/license/doc processing fees that they charge, but you should ask via Internet for the dealer to list those and give you the out- the-door price. If they won't, something's fishy. I like my local dealer, One Toyota of Oakland, very much. They put the price on each car, with a below MSRP discount. The only add- Ind they offer are the Toyota extended warranty/maintenance plans, and LoJack. And they tell you this up- front. They do not try to sell you anything else unless you ask, and their below-MSRP price is haggle- free, fair, and non-negotiable. Awesome people to work with.
     
  7. cycledrum

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    Bummer, our high volume Prius dealer's '11 Two price is $21,688 (30 units at that price) after discount and rebate. But, you're closer to Detroit, and I heard there's less discounts around those parts. True?
     
  8. Ncage1974

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    a bummer....

    Unfortunately my car isn't worth as much as i thought. KBB i guess sucks when it comes to estimating your trade in value. I went through both Autotrader (which gave me a guarantee through a certified dealer) and blackbook and i will only get about 21k for it instead of the almost 25k that kbb was estimating. Its still worth a lot more than i owe but i won't be getting as much money to throw at the new car as i thought.

    I'm starting to love truecar. They gave price guarantee from a certified dealer for 22.4k which id be very happy with. I have to travel 90 miles which isn't a big deal but its not in my state so they can't charge me Illinois state taxes so it looks like if i want to go through it i'll get a bill for taxes and can't add them to the car loan :(. Maybe i'll take it into my local dealer and see if they will match it.
     
  9. richard schumacher

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    Ditto Rupert. Let your fingers do the walking: make the dealers bid for your business. Oh, and next time? Save up the purchase price before you buy. Borrowing money to buy a car is for chumps and the desperate.
     
  10. rogerv

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    If you are a Costco member, check for their dealer referal. My daughter bought a 2011 II for $300 over invoice with no hassle, no upselling, etc. Costco membership is only about $50 if you don't belong yet. They monitor the deals to make sure the dealers they refer customers to follow the rules of the program. AAA has similar programs at some of their state clubs, so check there as well.
    As was already mentioned, get the price out-the-door for the new car before talking trade-in allowance. Good luck.
     
  11. Ncage1974

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    Well gentleman. I got took my quote in for my car (lexus) and what i could get the prius for from a certified dealer. I test drove one for 1.5 hours. I just wanted to make sure it was stable at 70-75mph and the prius hand no problem with that speed.

    Well i test drove a silver one. When i got back to the dealership i seen they had a red one on the lot. I asked him if that was a base II also and he checked it and it was.

    I said firmly if you match this quote you got a deal if you don't then i will get it off the certified dealer. The salesman gave me the "Deer in a headlight look". They tried their normal tactics of :
    1. How do we know that your quote is for a prius II. I said "the prius II base" is the cheapest one. So that didn't work.
    2. They said the quote on my lexus didn't have any details.
    3. How do you know if the price was to include the $500 rebate that toyota is giving.

    They gave up quickly though. In about 30 minutes they accepted. So i'm pretty happy. I got the color i wanted and the deal i wanted. I took the 0% for 36 months. I definitely didn't want black,white, brown, or green. Silver would have been fine but i like red better. My car had 5 miles on it and had plastic on everything in the car (even the shifter nob).

    I'm already missing my lexus some but i sure like some of the tech on the prius. Just pulling into my garage i missed the park assist of the lexus.
     
  12. mickaphely

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    Congratulations on the purchase, I think color is really just a taste.
    White is #1 for me, then silver, blue and all others except for red. I always try to avoid red :D .
    anyways, post some pictures when you get a chance.
     
  13. Rupert B Puppenstein

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    Congratulations...it is amazing how interesting buying a car can be from dealer to dealer. But, it sounds like everything worked out for you. I can relate to missing the old car. :( But, I think that you will also learn to appreciate the features of the Prius. I am still not 100% comfortable with everything, but I guess I need to set aside some extra time and read the manual. :)