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Excessive idling after service

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by cameron67, Dec 31, 2011.

  1. cameron67

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    Hello all - first post here after many years of lurking.

    Had my '05 Prius in for its 100k service and TSB for water pump (the original one failed and was subsequently replaced under original warranty, so this one should be *better*, right?). All was well before the service, but now it seems to idle almost all the time, often at very high RPM, which it usually would do at full charge (which seems to be normal) but it was still a few bars from full. When starting up an hours after a long drive, the engine ran for a full five minutes in park and probably would have run the tank dry if I had enough patience. No heat or AC running, and the outdoor temp was 65. The engine will eventually shut off after a long period of driving and generally behave normally, but if I drive a stretch uphill, it will run and run (several minutes at least) even stopped in a parking lot.

    Does anyone know if anything could have been reset during service that causes this behavior? Or did they likely screw something up? It really burns a lot more gas now in pointless idling, and I spend a long time stopped or drifting slowly to my destination, so this clearly isn't a tolerable situation.
     
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    I have never received a car back from a stealership with as many bars as when it arrived, its almost always drained, I think they leave it on for hours when they're working on them.

    personally, if I were a mechanic I wouldn't work on a car that could turn on at any second w/o warning, I'd want to make sure it was off before I got underneath it.

    but after 15 minutes things usually return to normal, when you do the test, don't flash your lights on and off thrice, instead hit the display button and press the upper left and lower left corner of the inner box a few times until the diagnostic stage is entered, thus saving your headlights from unnecessary shock. (especially important if you have HIDs)
     
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    When was the service done, and how far have you driven since then?
     
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    Ideas:

    1. Turn the fan on and set the temperature to max cold. Turn off.
    2. When it was in for service, they ran the car in Ig-On to bleed the inverter pump, and this has left your 12V battery permanently impaired. Once these batteries are more than a few years old, they are extremely intolerant to being left in Ig-On (aka key on, "engine" off) for more than a couple minutes. Run Richard's test as linked by Andrew after a cold soak.
    3. If they drained/filled the engine coolant as part of the 100K service, they may not have bled it correctly, resulting in an air pocket at the coolant temperature sensor and a subsequently low reading. After the engine has warmed up, turn the fan on high and set to Max Hot, verify that hot air blows continuously, and listen for gurgling. Also check the coolant overflow tank for proper Full Hot and Full Cold levels.
     
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    I've not used the display trick outlined above but for the 12 volt test that I linked to earlier, one doesn't need to turn the hedlights on/off (putting unnceessary cycles on HIDs, if equipped). It's sufficient to go between off and the parking light position. This is what I do when I run my test since I have HIDs.
     
  7. cameron67

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    Thanks for the advice. Turns out it *was* the battery - dealer said the accessory battery was showing low voltage when I brought it back in. They were able to get it charged back up quickly and now it behaves like a Prius should. The reason, they explained, is that the system runs the ICE more to charge up the 12V when voltage falls below the warning threshold. Come to think of it, the ICE idled a lot less - almost normal - going downhill (1,000 ft elevation change from home to my destination) but ran a lot more than normal on the return uphill trip. Does regenerative braking also recharge the 12V?

    And yeah, they probably left the car on during service - the clock is still a few minutes fast so they didn't disconnect the battery. Will keep an eye on the charge and look at getting a new battery as it probably is a good idea going forward.
     
  8. 2k1Toaster

    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    The only thing that charges the battery is the 12v rail coming from the inverter (silver box under the hood). Now, the HV battery, engine, and/or braking as well as any combination thereof feeds this inverter. So yes the braking does indirectly charge the 12v.

    And if you are on your original battery, it is a good idea to get it changed as preventative maintenance. You may have a couple months or years left out of it. But for $180, sometimes it is just smarter to know you won't be stranded somewhere.
     
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    paprius4030 My first Prius

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    It WOULD be a good idea to get a new 12v. battery. The real experts please correct me if I'm worng. But if the 12v. battery was in good shape it should have charged itself back up on it's own and not required the dealer to recharge it. Better to replace it now then get stuck in the middle of no where on a cold crewl night.