Volt Sales Figures

Without owning solar panels and charging your Volt after the sunset, how can you be so sure?

 

I'm not going to rehash the fungible electricity discussion.

I am generating emission free power that I use, among other things, to charge my car. Most everyday I drive too and from work not burning gas.

The system just went in and I choose to be happy about it. Go rain on somebody else's parade.

 

I didn't mean to go there.

How do you know if your utility company is not pulling a scam?

 

Most places have laws for utilities related to complying with renewables and/or green credits. But in gwmort's case he is generating his power himself so your question is irrelevant. What scam could they be pulling?

How do you know the gas you are buying for your prius is not refined from a mix of Venezuela Upgraded Bitumen and Nigerian crude both of which have nearly 80% more GHG than the US average? (Most East coast crude is from imported and much of that does from from those sources). So your not as green as you think.

I know much of the gas in the Rocky Mountain region is obtained from curde derived from Canadian Oil Sands, one of the most CHC intensive forms of oil.. all the more reason for me to use Renewable electricity as my primary fuel.

 

I'm not sure what kind of scam you're talking about. The electricity generated is fed through some new monitoring boxes and then to my house, and then if not needed to the grid. It tracks how much energy goes where. I even have a production guarantee that if the system fails to meet the leasing company pays me for power not generated.

All the juice produced by the system belongs to me, I can use it for free or sell it to the power company.

I suppose they may have installed an elaborate system of boxes and cables to make it look like I was generating electricity just so they could lower my bills and pretend to buy power off me, just so I would be tricked into thinking I was not polluting as much as I really am, but that seems a bit far fetched.

 

I have been using only average gasoline and average electricity mix when comparing the emission and efficiency.

I have never claimed my gasoline is more or less clean than the average. However, you have claimed your electricity is 100% renewable. You pay extra to get the electricity from renewable source. I am not familiar with it so asking how you can be so sure they are indeed wind power.

 

Actually I posted in response to your questioning of gwmort about his PV and your asking how he does not know his utility company was not scamming him. That is clearly not asking about how one pays extra to get wind..

If you are interested you can see my post #478 where I talked a little about CO's rules. Different states have different rules. As I recall NY has its own tracking program for Renewable energy credits, including separated voluntary and RPS tracking. Don't know if, like CO, they separate solar and wind but if I'm sure a quick googling will let you know.

 

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oh look a political cartoon. That really provides meaningful information. Also odd post from someone that drives a MX-5 Miata, whose sales last year were 5,674, i.e. much worse than the Volt.

 

Miata has also been around for 20 years and I doubt Mazda came out and said it would sell 25,000 then reduced that down to 10,000 and still didn't meet it. Not much meat in that comparison

 

The cartoon is just pointless.

Obama had nothing to do with the Volt, and no one that bought them thinks they are lemons.

My guess is they are trying to make some kind of point about the bankruptcy, but even then I miss the point. Since the bankruptcy, Chevy has had some of its best sales quarters in 100 years, the fleet emissions have improved, and the Volts have more than a million electric miles behind them.

 

Actually the last report from GM the volt's have more like 14Million EV miles behind them. Just the 370 volts on Voltstats.net have 1.4Million EV miles (with 114MPG and 61.7 MPGe)

 

Thanks for clearing that up! I thought just one million sounded way too low, so my sense for estimating numbers didn't let me down...

(To give you an idea, my fuel-stat in my sig is from a 'small' German site that has a total of 2,750,000,000 logged miles (not car-brand specific, just a site to keep track of your fuel usage))

 

He had everything to do with the Volt, because his willingness to use it as an excuse for the bailout prompted GM to move the car from CAD drawing to limited production.

 

The Volt was already in prototype testing in Early 2008, e.g. see
http://priuschat.com/forums/chevrol...quipt-volt-mule-prototype-hit-road-today.html
So it was well off the drawing-board long before Obama was involved.


While its impossible to know what would have happend without Obamas continuing support of the bailout, the bailout of GM started under Bush, see Autos Bailout Fact Sheet - Auto Industry Tracker - WSJ

And in Dec 2008 GM said it was committed to the Volt with or without the bailout. GM vows to deliver Volt, bailout or no

So history does not support your view that it has everything to do with Obama. He had a minor role in continuing support. Realistically neither president did much.

 

The Bush administration did support congress in raising cafe standards and creating plug-in tax credits. It was mainly congress, but without the tax credits I don't think we would se the volt, nor as low of a price on the leaf, or the promise to manufacture leafs in the united states. Without these gm may have killed the volt. Congress and the bush administration did the first round of the auto bailout. Volt would have survived bankruptcy even without bailout.

Obama administration strengthened both cafe standards and increased tax credits as well as supported the bailout. If the united states actually starts to import less oil it is to the credit of both the bush and obama administrations. These are the first successful policy changes as it comes to reduction of dependency of foreign oil.

Congress is mainly responsible for the bailout, but obama and bush were supportive. Without the bailout the volt would likely be produced under bankruptcy to help bring technology along to meet rising cafe standards. GM has recovered enough to outsell toyota world wide this year, at least in preliminary figures. The way the bailout was structured the american people will never recoup the money given to gm or Chrysler.

I am supportive of higher cafe standards and plug in tax credits. I would like a a small increasing tax on barrels of oil to help further reduce oil dependence. I would like to see an improved gen II volt, as well as plug ins from all the auto makers.

The gm bailout, I was against it, but it happened, it created a moral hazard, and its over. Lets move on. Blaiming the Obama administration for the volt is really stupid ugly politics.

 

This is not even history yet and some of us forget already!

Uploaded by InsideLineVideo on Nov 17, 2008
Chevy Volt Driving: Sneak Peek @ LA Auto Show - YouTube

 

I for one remember quite well the band-aid bailout Bush gave to GM, to give time to the Obama admin to fork over the lion's share needed to keep GM an operating company. Saying that the Volt would have existed without a bailout ignores the point that GM would not exist today without the bailout.

While GM may well have said they plan to produce the Volt with or without a bailout -- well let's just say GM says lots of things -- and most of it is BS.

 

Not just that - it was one of those very few legislations that passed congress because of Dem votes & white house supported the bill.

From the beginning Rs were happy to see the auto industry in the US die.

 

Thanks for the link.. I had forgotten that Bush Bailed out the auto companies without formal congressional backing, so I stand corrected that he did not do much.

The video did say it had biparitsan support from a majority of both parties, but, as has become common place, congress could not agree to terms even when they agree overall.

Thanks GW.. I'm glad you kept the car companies going and pushed for EV credits.