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Figuring out potential gas savings with a 2011 Prius

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by pjay, Jan 10, 2012.

  1. pjay

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    I'm thinking about trading in my 2006 CR-V EX for a 2011 Prius II liftback and was wondering if I'm calculating the potential gas savings correctly.

    I drove 6,003 miles from 1/11/11 to 1/11/12 and spent $943.95 in gas (on 20 tanks of gas).

    I figure in a Prius, which has an 11.9-gallon tank, an 11-gallon fillup would be about the norm. I'm also figuring an average gas price of $4 a gallon. It might be more; it might be less. But it's not going to be significantly less ever again, I don't think. It could well be significantly more.

    So, a fillup in a Prius, I'm thinking, would be $44 (11 gallons X $4 a gallon).

    I'm figuring a Prius's gas-tank range to be about 500 miles; does that sound too high? Five hundred miles / 11 gallons = ~45.45 MPG.

    So, taking my 6,003 miles and dividing by 500 miles on a tank, I get 12.006 tanks.

    Twelve tanks x $44 a tank = $528.

    So, $943.95 - $528 = $415.95 saved over a year's time on gas.

    (All but $19.95 of this would be eaten up by the $23 monthly increase in payments for the Prius and the $13 monthly increase in insurance premium for the Prius, but I would essentially be driving a new car for the same price I'm paying now, and if I drove it more than 6,000 miles a year, my savings would increase all the more.)

    Math was never my strong suit, so many thanks if you have gotten this far and have any inclination to respond!
     
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    pjay, you spent about 16 cents a mile for CRV fuel, I'll guess at about $3 a gallon. $4 a gallon is 1/3rd more, so your future estimate puts CRV fuel at 16*1.33 = 21 cents a mile.

    If your driving nets you EPA level fuel economy of 50 MPG in a Prius, a Prius mile costs 8 cents (400/50). So net fuel savings from the switch is 13 cents a mile. Keep in mind this is using your guess of average fuel cost of $4/gallon.

    If you drive 500 miles a month, fuel savings amount to $65 a month.

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    You have not mentioned the biggest money difference: how many months remain to pay off you current car, vs how many for a new car. I think you will find that keeping you current car saves considerable money in your pocket. When the CRV dies, then by all means buy a fuel economical car!
     
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    Here's my stats for 2011:

    9591miles, 203 gallons purchased. 47mpg annually. This is relatively low because of my northern climate.

    The only way to know for sure is to know how many gallons you bought in 2011 to drive those 6003 miles in your CRV. Having said that, unless you're switching from a V6 or bigger, or if you drive a lot, it does not make economical sense to switch to a Prius.

    Also, doing the math to figure out payback time for the "hybrid premium" has never worked for in favour for hybrid vehicles. This is because people equate the value of a car by features and performance figures for a given dollar amount. Based on size or fit/finish, they presume that a Prius is comparable to a Matrix, so they figured out that it takes a ridiculous amt of miles before breaking even. OTOH, if they compared a Prius Five to other $30000 cars, the Prius is slow, boring to drive, no V6, small, no "name brand", Corolla-like interior...blah blah blah. I never tell anyone to drive a Prius to save money. You buy a Prius because you like it.
     
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    Welcome. Don't calculate by tanks, but by MPG and cost of fuel. I'm building a fuel use record for all three of my vehicles on fuelly.com. My numbers so far:

    Prius: 45.2 MPG, $0.075 per mile
    LS430: 24.8 MPG, $0.148 per mile (uses premium fuel)
    LX470: 13.9 MPG, $0.264 per mile (just started, uses premium)
     
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    you'll save somewhere in the numbers above. will that pay for the new car in your time frame, or is that not important?
     
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    That does seem like convoluted arithmetic. I would go by:

    Miles Driven Per Year / MPG * $ per Gallon

    In my case:

    25,000 / 48.5 * $4 = $2,061.86
    versus:
    25,000 / 24 (for CR-V) * $4 = $4,166.67

    Or in your case:

    6,000 / 48.5 * $4 = $494.85
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    6,000 / 24 * $4 = $1,000

    My average fill up is about 9 gallons, btw.
     
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    With those low miles, it's tough to justify a Prius on cost/savings alone. WHere the Prius REALLY shines is when you get up into the 20K + miles per year range.

    My savings came to over $200/month with the Prius compared to my 20 MPG RAV4 at around 23K miles per year.

    At 6K per year ... I'd only switch if you really just want a Prius.

    REV
     
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    Thanks for the response, SageBrush. So you are figuring an even greater MPG figure than I was for the Prius--50 vs. my 45. I was trying to be conservative, but you would know as a Prius owner.

    Sixteen months remain on my 84-month CR-V loan. The new loan would also be for 84 months.

    Damn you for using logic on me! :) At 6,000 miles a year, I might well never have to buy a new car again, given Hondas' reliability and my age (mid-40s). If you figure a Honda lasts 250,000 to 300,000 miles, as long as the body doesn't rust, I might never have reason to be in the car market again.

    But think of the humanity I'm helping by buying a new car; someone has to pay the salesman's commission, right?! :) Just kidding. I know I shouldn't be spending money I don't have to spend, even though I could afford the Prius.
     
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    Thanks, car compulsive. Interesting. I often record my tanks' MPG but not always. I do always figure it out, though, as I'm sitting in the gas station (I divide trip odometer by gallons pumped). That LX470 figure is awful. Must be costing you a fortune.
     
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    Ah, thanks, Mmcdonal! Interesting that you came up with about the same result I came up with--that the Prius halves (in your calculation) or nearly halves (in my calculation) fuel cost.
     
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    Thanks, Rev. I know, I need people to talk me off the car-buying ledge! Part of the reason I'm thinking about a Prius (in addition to saving on what little gas I buy) is that the resale value of my CR-V will never be higher. Should I hang on to it and ride it into the ground or essentially sell high? That's my main question.

    That's significant savings on your part. If I drove that much, no doubt I'd have already bought a Prius.
     
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    Thanks, Much More Better. Makes sense!
     
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    Thanks, bisco. I guess that's the question. My dad always said he figured he would always have a car payment to contend with. I have been out of a car payment only once in the 21 years I've owned cars, and I promptly traded that vehicle (a '97 Saturn SL) for a new one (an '01 Accord DX).

    I don't know if the savings will pay for the car; should that be the criterion? (Just thinking out loud, not being argumentative.) Certainly, the fuel savings will pay for the car if I drive it more than I do today.
     
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    we all have our reasons. there are no criteria to meet. every car purchase is based on personal reasons. emotional, economic, practical, etc. fuel savings are often considered in the prius equation, but i bought my last two for a variety of reasons, not the least of which were environmental and geopolitical. all the best with your decision!:thumb:
     
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    Thanks very much, bisco! Yeah, I'd like to inoculate myself against future gas-price spikes, too, as well as burn less fossil fuel.
     
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    Some of you are probably too young to remember the two gas rationing episodes in the sevendees. My other car was a moped that got 100mpg, so I could do a lot of short trips with that and save. I even commuted with it some. So if it comes to that again, we are set. Geopolitical are of an even greater concern, but they work together. Oh yes, the environment. I forgot about the 800 lb gorilla. :D
     
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    Pjay,

    It seems like you have a handle on the gas savings. Your current car is 6 years old and based on your miles per year might have 40K plus on the clock. You are likely looking at some items coming up like battery, tires, belts, brakes and coolant changes. A replacement vehicle will eliminate most of these types of costs for a period of time and also provide peace of mind. It is rarely economically beneficial to trade a vehicle that works in for a new one. But if you want to and don't want to deal with upcoming maintenance then your time and peace of mind have a value.

    A new prius has no belts and is very easy on brakes.
     
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    Thanks much, Sabby! You are correct--my CR-V has 44,670 miles. And I just recently replaced the tires and rear brakes (didn't have to replace the tires, but wanted to to make the ride quieter, and it worked). Belts and fluid changes are coming up--transmission fluid and rear-differential fluid ($100 each) need to be done at the six-year mark.

    Good point about there being a value on lack of maintenance!
     
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    I was a kid during the '70s gas rationing, but I saw plenty of photos and video clips of cars on lines at gas stations! It went by the last digit of your plate number, right? If it was odd, you fueled up on Day X, and if it was even, you fueled up on Day Y?

    Yep, I think the consensus is that Priuses are great for the environment! Although I'm reading various threads here at the forum about whether Priuses damage the environment by requiring so much nickel for their batteries (nickel mining isn't good for the environment).

    I think on the whole, Priuses do more good than harm to the environment.
     
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    In 73 it was a free for all. In 78 it was odd/even (odd tags on odd days, even tags on even days.)

    I never got the nickel thing. 100# of nickel versus an extra ton of steel for a pig SUV, I mean big. They have similar melting points, I think nickel is a couple hundred degrees less than steel. Perhaps the separation process is bad. Anyway, where ever you concentrate energy you are going to have toxic conditions - even when you concentrate sunlight for goodness sakes. The thing is, you can do that, or burn a few hundred extra gallons of petroleum a year and vent the exhaust gases directly to the atmosphere instead. How does that sound (he said rhetorically?)