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  1. pjay

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    everyone.

    I have an offer from a dealer for a 2011 Prius Two with floor mats and cargo cover for $22,183 plus tax and destination and DMV. Truecar.com says dealer cost in my area, Westchester County, N.Y., is $22,183. (I showed the salesman the website, and he eventually agreed to match it.)

    What do you folks think--would you bite on this this deal?

    Thanks if you have any opinions!
     
  2. Gurple42

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    well you could have gotten it for $500 less at the end of the last year, but that rebate is gone, at this time, you got a good price.
     
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    In Nor Cal, the Toyota incentive was $1000 but it ended 1/3/12.

    Toyota Sunnyvale at the time had Twos at $21,688 after the incentive (and I'm pretty sure it included destination charge) before tax and license. Was helping a friend of mine shop for cars.

    She ended up buying a Three from another dealer for around $22,060, including dest charge (somewhere under $22,267 that dealer in Santa Rosa, CA was advertising Threes for) but before tax and license.

    edit: Looks like Nor Cal incentive is currently $500 per http://www.northerncalifornia.buyatoyota.com/Specials/SpecialOffersDetails.aspx?series=prius.

    I see http://freeman-toyota.com/Santa-Rosa-CA/For-Sale/New/Toyota/Prius/2011-5dr-HB-II-Gray-Car/3962677/ (never dealt with this dealer before) and http://www.toyotasunnyvale.com/specials/index.htm (bought my 06 from them).
     
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    Thanks much, Gurple42 and Bisco!
     
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    Ah, thanks, cwerdna. Sorry I missed the incentive program. Is your friend happy with her purchase? Are you happy with yours?
     
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    You might want to go to Toyota Dealerships - New & Used Car Deals & Special Offers | BuyAToyota.com and put in your area to see what the incentive is, if any.

    Don't know about my friend. Haven't talked to her since she got it. As for me, yes, I like my Prius.

    I HATE driving non-hybrids in stop and go and city traffic now. Having the engine idle uselessly, wasting gas irks me as does the thought that all energy while braking is lost as useless heat and brake dust.
     
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    OK, thanks. Will check that site out.

    Understandable about hating to spoil the environment in a nonhybrid!

    Glad you are happy with your Prius. Was your model affected by the recalls for the stuck accelerator pedals last year?
     
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    Well... it's not so much about spoiling the environment but rather needlessly wasting a non-renewable resource, 50% of which we import and most of which resides in unstable regions of the world/where they don't like us much.

    As for sticky pedal recall, no. That recall only affected US made Toyotas which used CTS pedals. Japanese made Toyotas used Denso pedals of a totally different design.

    However, Toyota took steps to try to reduce chances of pedal entrapment on my gen of Prius: replacing the floor mats (I didn't have the Toyota mats, so that was N/A) and trimming down the bottom of the accelerator pedal. The latter was done w/o even telling me ahead of time.... I was annoyed by that but my dealer did do a good job of trimming and I have no complaints about it.
     
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    Don't forget the annoying NOISE and v-i-b-rrrr-a-t-i-o-n.
     
  11. pjay

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    I went to an out-of-state dealership today that I'm strongly considering buying an '11 Prius Two from, because its offers on the Prius and my CR-V as a trade-in are so far ahead of the field of dealerships near my home.

    I told the salesman I was concerned about the Prius's ability to handle rocking back and forth in snow and asked him if the vehicle stability control can be disabled. He said it could and that there was a button for it on the dashboard.

    I've tried looking online at the 2011 Prius Owner's Manual, but unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a way to download the whole thing; you have to enter search terms and inspect each of the results to see if it's the one you're looking for. I don't have the time or patience to wait for 28 individual pages to download, click on each one and search for "enhanced stability control" on each one.

    I wish I had been in the car the salesman and I had been sitting in earlier when I had asked about the VSC, but I was back in his office, and as the dealership had closed an hour earlier, he kind of wanted to get out and go home. So I didn't ask to go back out to the car (which was now locked) to confirm the button's existence. I don't remember where it could have been, though, as on the far lower left were the buttons for the power mirrors and the dashboard dimming switch.

    Does anyone with an '11 Prius know if there's a button anywhere on the dash that toggles the VSC on and off? If so, have you ever used it, and did it work?

    Many thanks!
     
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    No. There is NO button to disable stability control (VSC). But that's not what would keep you from rocking. That would be traction control and there's also no button to turn it off.

    You need proper snow tires when it's snowy. The Gen 2 not so easy method to disable TCS for servicing/test purposes but IIRC, the service manual in no uncertain terms says the transaxle could be damaged by doing so (http://priuschat.com/forums/knowledge-base-articles-discussion/12677-list-hacks-easter-eggs.html). Yet... some people do it here anyway... :rolleyes:

    http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-iii-2010-prius-main-forum/91014-gen-ii-gen-iii-in-snow.html was one of many threads discussing Gen 3 TCS.
     
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    I agree with cwerdna. If you are going to drive in snow then get proper snow tires. All-season tires are rubbish in very cold snowy conditions. Their stopping ability goes way down compared to a snow tire whose compound was designed for cold weather traction. No one with proper tires has ever complained about their Prius in the snow.
     
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    Thanks very much, cwerdna and F8L. It's a bit dismaying that there is no VSC button, because it means my salesman didn't know the product, and he has been there at least six years, when he showed me a Prius before I bought my CR-V.

    F8L, thanks for the advice about snow tires. Unfortunately, I live in an apartment building, and there would be nowhere for me to keep four tires year round. All-season tires would have to be it for me. I've read good things in other threads about Hankook H727s and would probably look into buying a set if things got hairy.

    This winter has been very rare in that we have had only one snowfall, last weekend, and that was only about five inches and melted in the next two days anyway as temps climbed into the 50s and rain washed the snow away. (Global warming, anyone?) Last winter ('10-'11) was pretty dramatic in terms of snowfall, though. We got something over 100 inches total; seemed as if we were getting two snowstorms a week.

    I sure can't count on a snow-free winter every year.
     
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    ^ Our 11 Corolla has a button for VSC on the dash but not the Prius. Sad, probably just wanted to make the sale.

    Hmm, we are of the path to making the record for the coldest January ever recorded up here. So far our average temp for the month is 2.7 degrees F.
     
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    Yeah, looks that way, spiderman. Thanks for letting me know about your Corolla.

    I hate that you're suffering through the cold up there in Alaska, but I have to say it makes me happy to hear that that region is still cold. Supposedly the Arctic glaciers are melting faster than ever, and I fear that excess water will someday result in a 25-or-so-foot tsunami that would take out most of the East Coast.
     
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    I've seen most folks say that the Prius is fine to excellent in the snow w/snow tires. However, there's been at least one guy complaining about ground clearance.
    About salesman not knowing the product, this is no surprise.

    As for apartment and no place to keep the tires, can't you find a friend w/a garage or place to keep them or at worst rent a place at Public Storage or something along those lines? Which is worth more to you? The rental fees or your safety and the reduced possibility of an accident (which could cost you much more than Public Storage rental fees)? I've heard of some dealers (Lexus of Bellevue, WA) that will store your snow/regular tires for you provided you go to them to buy snow tires and pay them to swap the tires.

    Here are a few other Gen 3 related snow driving threads:
    http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-ii-prius-main-forum/98567-driving-in-snow.html
    http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-iii...100940-what-your-snow-driving-experience.html
    http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-iii.../89101-driving-in-snow-prius-really-good.html

    But seriously, think about it. If you had enough traction (helps to have proper tires), then why would you want to disable TCS? Turning off TCS doesn't give you more traction nor does help you w/stopping.
     
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    Thanks for the threads, cwerdna.

    The public-storage space is a good suggestion. I hadn't thought of that. But I like the idea of the dealership storing the tires even better. I guess it wouldn't hurt to ask the dealerships around here about that. I wonder if Mavis Discount Tire, a local tire chain, might do that, too.

    Well, my thought behind disabling the stability or traction control was to enable the car to rock back and forth in case it gets stuck. Otherwise, I want all the safety mechanisms the vehicle has to be in force at all times, believe me.