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Dealer vs. local shop - engine water pump

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by hoodenc, Apr 2, 2012.

  1. hoodenc

    hoodenc Junior Member

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    Hi everyone,

    I would really appreciate some advice, as I am trying to wean myself from my Toyota dealer. I brought my '04 Prius (111K miles) in for an intermediate maintenance, and they told me that my engine water pump and drive belt needed to be replaced because it was leaking coolant.

    The Dealer's quote: $487.

    I called another dealer, and they quoted me $500, for the water pump alone, not including the drive belt. With the belt, it would be over $600.

    Then I took the car this morning to a local auto shop, and they performed a Matco cooling system pressure test; pressure was normal. Upon a visual inspection, they didn't see anything until they jacked the car and saw from underneath a little dried, pink coolant. They also recommended replacing the water pump, although they said the drive belt was fine.

    Local shop's quote: $316. $152 parts, $150 labor. When they heard the dealer's quote, they offered to do the drive belt job for free.

    My questions are: Is replacement of the engine water pump and drive belt a "dealer only" job, or should most independent auto shops be able to handle it? Am I being penny-wise, pound-foolish by wanting to save money by going to the local shop (thus far I've only dealt with the dealer)? Is the local shop cheaper because maybe they are NOT using Toyota genuine parts?

    111K miles, still the original engine water pump. Drive belt replaced at 65K.

    Thank you very much in advance, I would appreciate any and all advice!
     
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    The water pump change is no different to any other car so special skills are not required. The belt has to be removed to change the pump so I would recommend replacement at the same time for reliability. The system can be difficult to get all the air out of and the coolant should be replaced with Toyota SLLC (supper long life coolant).

    The Toyota OEM pump does not seem to be any better than the after market pumps and some may be better.

    John
     
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    Thank you very much!:) I'll be sure to confirm with the local auto shop that they'll use SLLC.

    This is my first step away from the dealer, so I appreciate the vote of confidence.
     
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    The pump price sounds high I believe in the US the pumps on Ebay are around $35/40 and that is in line with the UK price of around £25.
     
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    Ouch! Just talked to the local shop and he's quoting me $124 for the OEM water pump. Called the dealer and was quoted $103.

    The local guy also recommended--but said it was strictly optional, might be a good idea--replacing the thermostat. He said it was run $150 parts + $30 labor. Does that sound like a good idea?

    Thanks again!
     
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    I would not change the thermostat they either work or they do not. Could you not bye the parts yourself on line then hand them to your workshop to fit. Even if you had to pay $200 to have them fitted if you buy a pump for $40 you will still be well ahead.

    You are not in a hurry to get this done, as from your post it is only a tiny leak and will last a long time as is just keep a check on the coolant level.
     
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    Thanks again! I just finished reading previous threads on thermostats and how they basically never fail. My apologies, I should've done a search first.

    Good idea on buying the parts online and seeing if my ship will install them. I'll look in to that. Thanks!
     
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    Changing the engine water pump/belt/thermostat are all pretty easy to DIY. Search for Patrick Wong's tutorial.

    Getting the air out of the system when you refill coolant can be a PITA. You do not want your car to be the first one the mechanic does this repair for, unless they use a vacum system.

    By the way, the SLLC is not cheap. Figure that into your price.
     
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    Thanks for the tip. Well, if it is a pretty easy DIY, then hopefully my mechanic will be able to do it. The extent of my DIY skills only goes as far as replacing air filters!
     
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    I paid $39 for a new water pump at o'Reilly's auto parts for my 06, and replaced it myself. I believe it had a 2 yr warranty.
     
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    Unless there is a noticable loss of coolant, as indicated by a puddle of coolant where you park after a long drive or the coolant level is going down in the reservoir, I wouldn't do anything. Some seepage from the seals and even the hose connections is perfectly Normal.