New PiP Owners...More data please!!!

Picked up my PiP yesterday. Drove to work today 45 miles - 58 mpg.

Got it at South Coast Toyota for 1100.00 off MSRP. I had negotiated 600.00 off and then they sent a flyer advertising "make your best deal and then take 500.00 off" - they weren't too thrilled about the extra 500.00 off but they treated me right and stood by their deal.

 

Where did you get the volt owners average of 58 MPGe.. if you are using EPA numbers for some of it, its apples and bananas And comparing groups averages to a good driver, you are mixing oatmeal and bananas.

But I do congratulate crewdog, he is way above average for a PlugInPrius driver (based on stats from https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AptkktKEhdz9dGF0WWdUZEpqWWdJOGhDWlFsWDBUdGc#gid=10)

 

It does not matter where he got it. His numbers make the PiP look good and the Volt look bad, so he must point it out to show how superior the PiP is compared to the Volt and justify his Prius purchase. After all - the numbers - whatever the source - don't lie - and acknowledging the fact that the Volt may more efficient in some scenarios would turn his world upside down where Prius is king and everything else is crap.

Or maybe he's just trolling to get more page hits to drive ad revenue.

Edit: Yeah, i went there. The endless Volt bashing here is mind numbing and I don't have skin in either game.

 

Think about what MPGe is intended to convey. Think about how much battery-capacity was required to achieve that. Think about the cost.

The real-world data adds to all those numbers.

What is the purpose, bragging rights or high-volume sales?

 

The purpose is to get more plug-ins onto the market and reduce oil consumption while also reducing pollution.

The PiP and Volt are so close in overall efficiency that 10-20% either way doesn't matter compared to the alternatives. One party constantly belittling and bashing the other does nothing to help the overall cause!

:focus:

 

I wonder how many Volt owners are PC users, LOL.

(and by extension, how many Prius owners are Mac users)

 

what happen to gwmort?

 

excellent! turkey improved your mileage!

 

Yes it took a big battery.. so what? Yes it cost a bit more? So what. And if you cannot afford a volt, then don't buy one. if you cannot afford a caddy or BMW don't buy them either. People buy cars for many reasons, and cost is just one. You cannot justify the PiP on cost either. And for Prius drivers cost is not the primary reason.. self-image is the #1 factor for prius drivers.


I'll be among the first to admit the Volt cost more to buy than a Prius -- it is a mathematical fact. I also admit the Pirus and PiP are good cars. But a few people here, have such an anti-GM bias they distort facts. I'm just trying to keep "data" and facts correct.

What real world data.. nothing I've seen allows a computation of real-world MPGe.. not even the data at voltstats.net allows that.

The purpose of questioning bad data is seeking the truth.
If you want to argue about cost... go ahead but then discus cost. But why are you supporting improper computations of efficiency, or twisting it to something else.

I don't need bragging rights to feel good about myself or my choice. Do you? I know I made the best choice for me, but realize the best choice for others may be a Prius or PiP. I've even talked a potential Volt owner in to Prius C (better for them).

 

I finally found a spot for my Scangauge and had time to get it up and running in this Prius. I became pretty reliant on it in my '09, and I just tonight had some time to make everything look good. So I should be good to go with some quantitative data pretty quickly.

More data - of a different sort:

Yesterday afternoon was tint time - I went 35 all the way around, and it looks pretty good. I think I could've gone darker, but the film I wanted went from 35 to 18 with nothing in between. So rather than go two tone like I did in the GenII, I decided to go a little lighter in back - which made it a little darker in front. All in all it will help with the heat load.

 

And for Prius drivers cost is not the primary reason.. self-image is the #1 factor for prius drivers.

this not true. i bought the most fuel efficient car in 2004 that i could afford. the technology was cool and proven by 3 previous model years. Could have cared less about image! spending less at the pump was VERY high on the list.

8 years later, i am not in the $40,000 plus market for a hybrid...but i would be in the market for a lower priced version of which the PIP does come! Where's the affordable Volt version? let me guess it's on it's way. Well, let's play the catch up game and see where we are in a year or 2. Advantage...NOT GM.

And by the way...i'm glad you love the Volt and I'm glad others do too. I'm skeptical of the mainstream possibilities.

 

Doesn't Volt qualify for the $7500 tax credit now? If so, that bridges the $$$ gap considerably.

And I kind of like the charge port in front. I wish Toyota had figured out a way to shave the weight somewhere else and kept the charge port in front like it was in the early models.

 

From the new ticker from the Volt site that shows 60% EV miles and 40% HV. I plugged Volt's EPA combined 37 MPG and 360 wh/mi figures into the MPGe calculator. I know, only if GM would disclose the actual consumption figures..... I hope they have nothing to hide.

I was making a point that he is getting higher MPGe than Volt average MPGe, probably with much lower electricity. Prius PHV owners average to 67 MPGe so far but that's not a full year of data yet so we can't compare yet.

You are getting higher MPGe than average (so far) Prius PHV owner. This again is making a point.

 

Volt has superior EV range and better EV driving experience. I didn't know you needed to hear it from me. Let me know if you need to hear more good things about the Volt from me. I thought it is common knowledge and not worth stating. I can see how that could lead to assumptions about my motivation.

You may be right that Volt and Prius PHV will come pretty close in term of composite MPGe figure. The approaches both vehicles took to achieve are very different. I am not going into more details, in fear of you taking it as another "Volt bashing".

 

No concern for middle-market buyers or business-sustaining sales...

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I'm having a lot of trouble collecting good statistics on this car. My main problem is my daily 85 mile commute without a recharge. This seems to be netting me mileage of about 60 MPG, which is substantially better than the 48 I was getting with my 2010 Prius. If I were able to recharge at work, I'd be around 70 MPG. My Fuelly figure is deceiving, because the first tank was mostly the 400 mile drive from Carson Toyota to the SF area, in which the car operated like an ordinary Prius. And Carson wasn't able to charge me up before I left

What's definitely noticeable is that this car gets vastly better mileage exactly where the 2010 Prius got poor mileage -- on short trips through town, and on weekends, when I can sometimes recharge during the day. Its quirky, though, because a 999 MPG trip to the grocery store becomes a 25 MPG trip if the ICE starts up for its 55 second warmup. I do wish this car had twice the battery pack, but it is what it is and I love it. I especially love its near-infinite glide range.

 

If you take out the 400 miles, you are doing about 60 MPG? That's really good with a single charge per day.

There is no plugin hybrid (midsize nor compact) that can get that kind of mileage with 3 hours charge off a regular 120V plug.

 

I expected that is what you did.. but that is NOT how EPA computes MPGE.. you need to know city vs highway usage.. which is why I said one cannot do it even from voltstats data. You presumed the 60/40 split is applies to the average MPG, but that could easily be a different split of highway/city and different weightings will produce different answers. For example the 40% ICE usage is 85% highway (at 40mpg) then you get a very different answer.

And you cannot meaningful compare EPA based estimates to your real-world measurements of a select fuel PiP users. In the PiP Sheets the HV ode and EV usage is much better than EPA.. The PiP spreadsheet shows 38% EV, so if you applied your simplistic formula just using the EPA figures and percentages you get PiPs at 60.975 MPGe.. Actual in the spread sheet is 67 MPGe. It matters very much miles are EV and which are HV.. and that is one the things that the PiP makes much better than a Prius.. its taking away many of the short trip penalties.