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Total lifetime cost for fuel and tires over 150,000 miles

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by F8L, May 17, 2012.

  1. F8L

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    I changed the numbers around a bit based on recent testing of the Energy Saver A/S tire. Not a whole lot changes with the higher estimated mpg from the Energy Saver A/S except it now beats the AVID Ascend in terms of the 150,000 mile lifetime cost estimate and further widened the gap between the two tires in the cost/mile estimate.

    I only adjusted the mpg estimate by 1mpg for the Energy Saver A/S and in real life these numbers could be wrong for many Prius owners but it gives you a good idea of which tires are the most efficient economically. There is also the fuel savings aspect to consider. Some of us just want to use the least amount of fuel possible for environmental and social reasons. Ultimately the price of gas can change these numbers to favor the tires with the longer treadlife.
     
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    Oops, I forgot to add the bad news.

    We know that much of the improvements in LRR technology comes from tread materials and design. If a particular tires relies predominantly on tread improvements then when the tread wears down those improvements over a non-LRR tire decrease. So by the time the tires are worn below 3/32 the mpg difference could be negligible. This basically means that mpg differences between tires is not static and is ever changing as tread wears away. Thankfully there are other improvements used in LRR tire technology so there is still an advantage to running them beyond 4/32 tread depth BUT I don't recommend running a tire much below that unless you live in the desert and never deal with water on the road. :)
     
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    What percentage would that translate to roughly if 100% would be brand new and 0% would be "need to be changed?"

    In other words, what % of the tires life would you get LRR benefit?

    I know it would probably be a very rough estimate, but humor me. ;)
     
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    I would have to find the data which I saved on my ipad but generally speaking the first 50% of tread wear is where you see the largest gains in fuel economy in any tire. After that the rate of increase in fuel economy slows down. So if we assume that 60% of the LRR benefit of a particular tire is in the tread then after approx. 50% of the tread is gone then the benefits are reduce. However, a lot of our favorite LRR tires also include LRR technology in the plys and other sidewall construction/materials as well so there should still be a benefit even after treadwear has been significantly reduced. Unfortunately most of this information comes from the trucking industry and those tires are built differently because of the practice of retreading so I cannot say for certain how this works in relation to passenger car tires. I need to dig deeper into this line of thought. :) I'll edit this post once I get home and can find my links.... well after I replace the hot water heater that broke last night. lol
     
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    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    Thanks for all your work you do on the LRR info!

    Did it just quit on you? How old was it?
     
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    My pleasure. :)

    I don't know everything and definitely do not have all the answers but I post what I know or think I know and present the opportunity for others to correct my information or at least open it up for discussion so we all hopefully learn something.

    The water heater started leaking from the bottom. It is all rusted out. The original owner had a water softener installed but took it with him when he moved. Interestingly the water heater serial number says it was built in 1996 or 1998 yet this house was built in 2006...... Hmmmm
     
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    I'll update this thread later tonight but for now I wanted to add a cost comparison of the Fuel Max vs. Energy Saver A/S. I'll add the Defender tire tonight.

    Treadwear warranty / mpg = gallons of fuel used * gas price/gallon = money spent on fuel + price of tires / tread wear warranty = cost per mile

    Let's use the Michelin Energy Saver A/S and Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max as an example:

    Energy Saver A/S
    65,000miles / 53.8mpg= 1208 * $3.6/ga = $4,349 + $432 / 65,000miles = $.0735/mile

    Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max
    65,000miles / 51.6mpg= 1259 * $3.6/ga = $4,534 + $396 / 65,000miles = $.0758/mile
     
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    I've found the opposite, with Michelin Harmony: they were warrantied for 120,000 km treadlife, but had solid wear bars just shy of 60,000 km. The tire place contacted Michelin with the data, we were reimbursed for 50% of the price of new, when we replace with the same.
     
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    I am on my second set of Michelin Energy Saver AS tires, 195x65x15. All are at
    44 psi, max sidewall pressure, and the first set I got 68,000 miles on them. They
    wore perfectly.

    I then went to ecopia ep422 tires and they were terrible. Loud, a lot less
    mpg's than the Michelin's, and would drift at high speeds, 65+. Exchanged
    them during the 30 day trial period for a brand new set of Energy Saver's at Costco.

    The Energy Savers are energy efficient tires as advertised.