Electric Honda Fit deemed most fuel efficient car at 118 mpge

I think that's not how it's figured. Yes, there are the "add ons" that you mentioned ... but the 16 is based off very expensive energy locations (parts of NY / CA) versus very cheap energy locations (parts of TN / MT) where they practically give electricity away. The cheap places may be only 3¢ (with taxes) while the expensives places can go up to 35¢ (with taxes) and above.

 

If it's a 4 seater - yes
If it's a 2 seater, the EV1's MPGe would have worked out to a higher number. It's nickel metal Panasonic batteries (26kWh) could send it down the road a blended range of about 120 miles, due to its low drag (0.19). Being a similar lease only vehicle (then repo), that's about as close a comparison, apples to apples, as you can get. The iMiev will still be around in 3 years ... and the iMiev is available in many many other areas than just CA. That puts it in a different class, even though they both (only) seat 4 people. I really wish Honda would sell them, because most folks do NOT want to lease a car. Does Honda have any other plans for an own-able EV?

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There are initial charges but epa uses numbers after that. I pay about $0.095 for each additional kwh including taxes, surcarges, etc. There is a $6 charge to just be hooked up and other fixed charges to help the poor get electricity, but those are one time. Conneticut has the highest rate for additional kwh and NYC is not far behind, but they are the exception not the rule.

lol, hill, the government says ev1 was less efficient. Remember technology continues to move forward, it just slowed
Gas Mileage of 1999 GMC EV1

kWh/100 mi$1650​

per year​

96​

City​

91​

Combined​

85​

Highway​

MPGe35​

City​

37​

Combined​

39​

Highway​

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It seems that bmw honda and mercedes are tinkering this generation of EVs. Ford, Toyota, and gm seem to have compliance cars in the focus, rav4, and spark. Tesla, Nissan, Mitsubishi are the ones seriously investing in BEV in the US. GM, Ford, Toyota, Honda are focusing on phev.

 

It's true that the 1990's ev1 had the numbers on your webpage link, but in the 2000's - the ev1 range went from about 80 miles to 120 miles (better batteries) .... so I think we are possibly quoting differences between original lead batteries and the gen II nickel metal batteries. That's the only thing that makes sense considering how the ev 1 made extensive use of aluminum and plastic construction - for lightness and an excellent power to weight ratio.

SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 ? 2

 

I don't know about that, but don't really have a dog in the hunt. I think the '99s were tested with nimh but they didn't increase efficiency they increased range. Even with the ovonics nimh the cars were 2900lbs, and if you think about improvements to low rolling resistance tires the fit and imev probably have lower rolling resistance. These would have improved the ev1 also Charging losses and motor efficiency has also improved. The new bevs are not as aerodynamic as the ev1, and IIRC this is about 20% of the fuel. If I were to guestimate though the new ones would be more efficient. If the ev1 project had continued though it would have benefited by all the advances and likely would be even better today, but why look back at that past. I would ignore the compliance fit that is lease only as you say. But the imev, leaf, tesla S - these are all better cars for most buyers than the ev1. We have advanced, just slower than if CARB and the car companies hadn't conspired to move backwards.

 

3 cents per kwh with taxes would make BEV look very competitive. Unfortunately - where I live -- in the Washington DC Metro Area - the final cost for 1 kwh is about 16 cents if you get your power from a PEPCO generator. It's more expensive in my area because the county government is taxing each kwh to help balance their budget. However, it's nice to know that it's not the most expensive in the nation - I think some people around here might go postal if a kwh was 35 cents (with taxes)! I've got a one year contract with Cleancurrents a wind turbine electricity consolidator for 8.3 cent per kwh (which is about 2 cents cheaper than PEPCO's rate) but with an additional 6 cents in distribution fees, taxes, and monthly addon fees, my final cost is closer to 15 cents per kwh. Two years ago when I was looking at BEV cost - I use the my historical final cost per kwh (16 cents per kwh --which include distribution charges, taxes , and other monthly fees ) to compare its operational cost with a regular hybrid because that would be the real cost to charging up a BEV.

The new EPA fuel efficiency rating system for BEV is too abstract. BEVs have a limited range and eats up kwh of electricity to run - a BEV operator needs to know is the BEV's range and the kwh need to recharge it. The more I think about it the more useless the MPGe spec seems to be.

 

Here is the EPA label (for the Leaf), it has most of the things people seem to want.