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First Trip of 99.9+ MPG

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by markabele, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. markabele

    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    At least the first one that was more than a mile or two. This was 8.2 miles.

    I'm curious what the longest trips of 99.9+ some of you have done. That way I have something to shoot for. ;)

    Rules are that you can't be a PiP (haha) and it has to be a somewhat flat stretch.
     
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    March-April, we drove from Northern Maine to D.C. one day. Then from D.C. to Kansas the next day and thru that night. We stayed there for three days, then returned to D.C. and then to Maine. A total of 4,100 miles round-trip. We saw two tanks that came in at 62mpg. The rest ran from 54 to 58mpg.
     
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    Only about a mile. The gas station's a mile from here and it's a slight slope down from there.
     
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    Can you quantify just how flat it must be? Prius' mpg is highly sensitive to elevation change.

    My personal goal is to achieve 99.9 mpg for 99.9+ miles, but it won't be flat. Best so far is 99.9 mpg for just over 80 miles, but over more descent than will fit your rules. Best substantial round trip (i.e. exactly zero net elevation change and no net tailwind) is about 71 miles at 72 mpg, but that was under less than ideal conditions, including more than 3000 feet gross climb.

    Many competitors have beaten 99.9 mpg over lengthy round trip courses, and not just Wayne Gerdes. If you really want an aspirational target, how about 118 mpg for 1889 miles, on a single tank. Or see this list of previous records. But it would be nice to see what fellow mortals here can do.
     
  5. markabele

    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    I suppose if we had to come up with a rule...how about 10 feet elevation difference per mile of road driving?
     
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    100 mpg is about 128 wh/mile of energy shaft to wheels.
    3 meter drop is about 1470*9.8*3 = 12 wh

    So that drop at 100 mpg would be 91.4* mpg on level ground

    * 12,800 wh per gallon / 140 wh per mile
     
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    Using a different method from SageBrush's calculation, but with a very similar result (experience finds that 1 gallon of gas = 10,000 feet of elevation in a 'typical' Prius, though this varies significantly with load and other conditions), I figure that 90.8 mpg on level ground should peg the display to 99.9 on a downslope of 10 feet per mile.

    The 2010-12 Prius has a CAFE rating slightly about 70 mpg, and drivers with warmed up engines, driving similarly to the test profile, should be able to match this on level ground without hypermiling. (Most Americans drive faster and much more aggressively, which is why EPA ratings are now heavily discounted from CAFE.) On the same 10-foot-per-mile downslope, with a 70 mpg flatland style, the Prius mpg should rise just above 75 mpg.

    These figures should illustrate just how sensitive Prius is to elevation changes.
     
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    I imagine as long as your "trip" is mostly downhill, 99.9 is easily achievable. It's the trip back...
     
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    Ok new game since we didn't get any takers on the last one.

    Longest trip of 99.9+ and it can be over any elevation change but you have to mention what the average elevation change per mile was.
     
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    Actually you dis get one taker, me. This is NJ and one mile is about it. :D
     
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    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    Very true. Thank you El Dobro!
     
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    i never got more than a mile in my 08.
     
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    My best so far:
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    Elevation change ~5000 feet, most of it wasted on B-mode engine braking.
     
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    151 mpg over 10 miles (20 minutes) on March 9 2011 as registered by my ScangaugeII xgauge AVG display (I use this as my trip mpg display).

    It was going from the Toyota DarCar Dealership in Silver Spring MD to the Bethesda MetroRail station (Bethesda, MD) right after a oil change so the car was pre warmed up from the oil change. Surprising I was driving in the morning rush hour traffic swapping between DWB, DWL, and P&G almost all the way going between 25 mph to 35mph on the right hand lane. Tires are at 50 psi front and 48 psi rear. IIRC the vehicle had 100% grill blocking at the time. I can't figure out how to insert a photo into this posting so I've provided a link below with a photo of the display.

    Flickr: drydem's Photostream
     
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    What was the drop in elevation?
     
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    Why not use a round-trip? Then elevation is subtracted from the process.
     
  17. markabele

    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    I would assume very few people have done a real round trip at 99.9+ mpg. The other method, although not as scientifically noteworthy, will get more players and thusly more fun...hopefully. ;-)
     
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    There are quite a few hills and valleys between the two points. A downhill might drop 50 feet but afterward I would have a 50 feet climb uphill. I believe the elevation of the starting point (CherryHill Rd, Silver Spring,MD) and destination point (Downtown Bethesda, MD) was about the same. I was aggressively accelerated downhill as much as I could to build up momentum before going uphill - but because of the traffic - my top speed was between 25 mph to 35mph. Since the starting point was from a Toyota dealership - it was not part of simple commuter route and hence not part of a roundtrip scenario. I have not been able to duplicate this kind of result - I consider it sort of like a fluke/non-repeatable event.
     
  19. markabele

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    You can go on to Google Earth and get a good estimate of elevation.
     
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    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    Upped my mileage a bit. I got a 99.9+ trip out of 9.3 miles (21 mins) which is an average of 26.6 mph.

    It was a drop of 91 feet making it an average of 9.8 feet drop per mile.

    SOC was probably around 62% at the start and probably around 58% at the end. (didn't have Torgque running, just going by the display)

    Cliff's:
    99.9+ mpg
    9.3 miles
    21 minutes
    26.6 average mph
    91 foot elevation drop