Toyota's Yaris Hybrid introduced in Germany

ok beacuse you used zloty....
then i better buy one in poland and then ship it to the netherlands
just take some days off take a flatbed and pick it up ( hotels ofcourse, small holiday )
dont have to pay any taxes only get it registrated
saves me 1000e Euros a fully loaded 16800 for a base version 19500 here.

 

Good idea, plenty of Germans buy cars in Poland.
No need for a lorry, you can drive it to Holland.

Cheers,
Jerzy.

 

Czech prices are 15300Eur for base (called Active) and 16000 for advanced (Style), incl. VAT 19%, no govermental hybrid bonus. The Eur price will vary with the exchange ratio CZK/EUR and there is no possibility to pay in cash as the final price is higher then 350000 CZK - anti money laudering law. prices in CZK are 360000/400000 (Active/Style).
1.4l D-4D 90 DPF 6 M/T Active is priced 200Eur higher the HSD.

 

When I buy a car in a EU country, I'll purchase it there without paying VAT. I'll pay the VAT of my country upon importation, which is real easy. I'll get a temporary licence plate which allows me to drive it to its destination.

There is also a large number of so called mandatories, who do that for you. You can order the car of your choice, pay some fee, but still get the car much cheaper.

That's Europe, too.

Jan

 

Why? 1.33l petrol will stay for sure because it is considerably cheaper... it is diesel that doesnt make that much sense anymore (although it is actually faster car, but long term much less reliable).

It is still not available in Croatia - we will see prices soon.

 

He said there was a 2000 euro credit on the yaris hybrid in france. That 1.33l non-hybrid can't be a good deal after the 2000 euros are taken off the top of the hybrid model. I assume government incentives vary in croatia.

If the toyota diesels are unreliable, that accounts for their poor sales in Europe. Do you have a source for that data?

 

why do you assume it is Toyota diesels that are unreliable? They all are. At least a lot more than comparable petrols. Especially DPF on cars used in the city mostly... thats always going to give you problems, no matter what the brand... and then when miles pick up, EGR, turbo's, fuel pumps, clutch, etc, etc, all points of failure. Nothing imaginary either.

As to the pricing, in France, 1.33 is still cheaper. Plus you will be able to get dealer discounts on 1.33.

 

That simply is not true, diesels have good reliability, they simply are more expensive. I assumed you meant the toyota diesel in the yaris, since that is what we were talking about. Toyota does sell a smaller percentage of diesels than the other makers. I have no idea if it is pricing or something else like reliability. Don't put words in my mouth. The prius is also more complicated than a normal ice car, but has high reliability. It even has a complicated cooled egr and EHR system.

How much cheaper is a 1.3L yaris versus hybrid after the discount. At least here 2000 Euros is a major discount on a car like a yaris. A 1.3L yaris would hardly sell at all in the United States.

 

lol, what are you basing your info on? I drive diesels daily, half of the country does... I think i know a lot more about diesels than you do, since they are not sold in the USA.

There are a lot more failure points in a modern turbo diesel engine compared to your NA petrol.

Running DPF in the city is large problem for diesels right now, as they dont get to regenerate if you dont drive it at high enough speeds. Which leads to congestion and that causes all sorts of problems.

 

What are you talking about. Of course diesels are sold in the US. All the big trucks, busses, etc have them, and some of the german cars. It seems half your country buys diesels according to you, and you don't understand why I would think a diesel option for europe is important? You brought it up, do you have reliability figures? Diesels require more maintenance, are heavier, and yes one of the old rules of thumb is they are more reliable. There are many old diesels still on the road.

Do you mean north american or normally aspirated? Since we are in a prius discussion group, and the hybrid is more complicated than a manual transmission, we have learned to embrace the complicated. The reason you don't see more diesels in north america is pollution. The levels were rejected in the past, and now the pollution controls are expensive enough to cut down on demand. I wasn't trying to get in a diesel discussion. Why don't you yell at your countrymen. I'm sure they have answers for you

I'm sure the systems you use there are less expensive than they use on the ones imported here. I have no comment as to whether it is a problem or not, but it appears from your post many in your country favor diesels at a higher price even if this is a problem.

 

My last turbo lasted 120K miles, then I sold the car, so it may still be going.

 

Agree.

Along with EGR and injector clogging issues, turbos do need some care (heat up, and prolonged idle after hwy runs) to last as in the "old days". Not to mention swirl flaps, MAF/MAP sensors and head gaskets.

Last year 2 friends of mine had to replace turbos in their BMW320d (one 2002 and other 2005, different mk), not even 100k miles driven from new...

 

yep, there are never egr problems in toyota hybrids. Its only those big bad diesels

2012 Toyota Prius V: Service Alert (Exhaust Actuators)
Go back to your anti diesel rant. I didn't really mean to act pro-diesel, I just thought they would sell better in europe than the 1.3 gas engine in the yaris. As I said, the prius c will sell here, a yaris with a 1.3 isn't even imported.

 

What will this mean with the "new" ecoboost ice s
Also more parts to fail

-Htc Tapatalk ( sorry for auto spell correct )

 

The Yaris Diesel sold in Europe has a 1.4 l Diesel developed in collaboration with Peugeot and also used by Ford and Mini/BMW. It has excellent mileage and is appreciated by its owners. It does not have the newest anti-pollution equipment (Euro 6). The future of such engines, also in Europe, is dimm, since depolution measures will make them too expensive. The European comission also requested that the tax advantages of Diesel be abolished. This will be accomplished over several years, depending on the country. It is now firmly established Diesel particles are cancerogenic, in particular those not retained by Diesel Particle Filters. Quantitatively, they do not mean much, but healthwise, they are the real problem. This, by the way, also applies to the down-sized, direct injection, Turbo engines, several car makers now introduce.

With this respect, the Yaris Hybrid and Prius C propose a real alternative.

They have inherited the latest, more efficient HSD technology (except for the battery) coupled to the NH20W ICE, known for its reliability and relative cleanliness (particle- and NOx-wise). This car not only is the first to consume less in crowded places than on the highway, but also helps reducing public-health relevant polutants!

About reliability: The HSD components are imported from Japan and the ICE is produced in Wales (UK). People in the France plant reputedly do a good job at assembling cars. Yet, only the future will tell whether the exceptionally high reliability typical for japanase made hybrids will be attained. The indicators for the UK -made/assembled Auris Hybrid are in the green. The Yaris and Auris,all models mixed, belong to the most reliable cars in Europe, according to several reliable and independent sources.

It may be interesting for our North American friends to know that from 2014 on, all Yaris sold there will have been produced in Valenciennes (North of france), and no longer in Japan. The European version may be more to their liking then the japanese one.

There is little doubt, the Yaris Hybrid and Prius C will get the hybrid technology to the large public. Soon, the new Corolla/Auris Hybrid will contribute to this development, followed by later Plug-in and EV versions. Other car makers, in particular the VW group, are on the verge to introduce their versions... That's when Toyota will at last have competition in Europe.

Jan

 

Just for pointing potential problems in a diesel, I'm on a rant post...
If they were not known as common here. LOL

Have a nice day picking someone else to quote!...

 

Press relese here in Slovenia announced price of just above 15,000 € and sale start next month (August). There are no official prices for different packages yet.
You can buy 1.0 petrol for 10,180 €, 1.33 petrol for 11,430 (both with 1,000 € discount), but there is no discount for diesel 14,370 € and I think they don't sell many diesel Yaris here. And diesel fuel is 8 % cheaper than petrol due to taxes.

 

How do they do it? . . . Diesel has way more BTU's per gallon then gasoline. And yet gasoline costs more? Is it any wonder diesel cars out sell gasoline? Somebody is rigging the system.
Anyway . . . . . can any of our European PC friends help out converting european gallons and kilometres over to U.S. gallons and miles? that might help a bunch of us understand what kind of equivalent miles per gallon the hybrid yaris would actually be getting if it were sold over here.
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