Toyota's Yaris Hybrid introduced in Germany

A votre service Monsieur !

L/100 km to MPG or MPG to L/100 km Fuel / Gas Efficiency / Consumption Conversion Chart / Table (Miles per US gallon to liters per 100 kilometers )

At some moment, some governments, following the advise of strong lobbyists, have decided that is was best for their car makers. Most people don't think further then the price they pay at the pump.

Several of them have since then very heavily invested. And yes, driving a modern turbo Diesel can provide real confort. It is really just in compact and sub-compact towncars that it was idiotic to promote Diesels. During many years, hybrid cars were ridiculized, but the result is that now, these car makers start to be in trouble. In a few years, it may become very difficult to sell a used sub-compact Diesel, so people start becoming interested in hybrids. And wich car makers offer some ? You got it right!

It is understandable that reversing that brutally is not possible. The reverse trend is underway, though, but that is just markets, money and labour...

Jan

 

Is that 1000€ Toyota's discount or goverment's one?

 

(tangent) i know this 'stinks' ... but i just realized that with english as a first language ... I'm just immature enough to find this pronunciation humerous



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1 G (US)= 3.785 l
1 G (imperial) = 4.54609188 l
1 mile = 1.609344 km
You can use the google for the conversion, simply type "l/100km to mpg" (w/o quotes) in search field.
For an easy usage:

	Column 1
0	[tr][th]L/100 km[/th][th]MPG (US)[/th][/tr][tr][td]4.0[/td][td]58.805[/td][/tr][tr][td]4.5[/td][td]52.271[/td][/tr][tr][td]5.0[/td][td]47.044[/td][/tr][tr][td]5.5[/td][td]42.767[/td][/tr][tr][td]6.0[/td][td]39.203[/td][/tr]

 

I'm sorry if you felt like you got unfairly put in the middle, but my original point was diesels will sell in europe, while a gas engine if it doesn't have much of a differential with the hybrid as it doesn't in france probably won't sell well. We have spwolf claiming diesels should be dropped because of poor reliability, which is just well not following the market. Best selling cars in europe
vw golf and polo and ford fiesta and focus. These things have diesel and gasoline di turbo options which make a good part of their sales. Europeans are not running away from turbos, they want the combination of power and fuel economy. When the point of failure is supposed to be the egr, well toyota is quite agressive with egr on their hybrids. If it fails it fails and can get replaced. It doesn't make my car unreliable, unless there was a design flaw like in the prius v, which is getting fixed.

Tax policy in some of the countries did not want to hurt trucking of goods which were the main diesel users, and set the tax lower. With the lower tax more people bought diesel cars to pay lower taxes. But, England does not favor diesel in taxes, yet has half its cars as diesels, and Holland has one of the biggest differentials but only sells about 1/4 diesels. There are things quite beyond the tax policies in Europe. When you focus on ghg and not NOx and particulates some people see the higher mileage of diesels green, others simply see lower l/100km. They trust the technology which has been there for a while above the new fangled hybrids.

 

Your running on gas ;-)

-Htc Tapatalk ( sorry for auto spell correct )

 

It's a strange way of saving the economy. All commercial vehicles run on diesel, the price of fuel has large impact. Until they separate "commercial" diesel from John Doe diesel with tinting (like heating oil) it will be this way. Minimum excise are determined by the EU and are somewhere around 0.35 €/l add 20% tax and that is the minimum price you can get in Europe, but usually it's higher.

 

I think it's Toyota's discount they call it "Toyota's spring", I think discount is for all Toyota Adria countries (ex YU countries)
http://www.toyotaadria.com/si/pdf/cenik_vozil/cenik_yaris_pomlad.pdf

 

May the Flying White Dutchman comment on this, but I think owning diesel in Holland you are heavily taxed every year/month so it's cheaper only for people that do many km/miles.

 

The easiest way to convert MPG to l/100 km is to google exactly that:
Google

or

Google

 

I am not god to claim that diesels should be dropped .
I am saying, and I am correct in that, with modern disels with DPF filters, city drive is a big problem. It is not just the pollution, but DPF filters get clogged and this is a big problem.

In anything larger than Corolla, Diesel is a must in Europe. On Corolla/Auris - it depends on how many miles you drive and on smaller cars, if you drive them in the city, you are going to have issues.

And also, hybrid is currently not an option in Europe. You are making it sound as if people have a choice. They dont. Only manufacturer selling hybrids seriously is Toyota and they have less than 4% market in Europe, heck in biggest countries, less than that, and thats where people buy hybrids. Even with Toyota, up to 2 years ago, there was a single hybrid. By the 2014 there will be a lot more, but even then, Toyota will have more diesels offered in Europe than Hybrids... it is not that simple.

One day when you have VW/Ford/Opel offering hybrids in Europe, you will get much better market penetration because hybrids make a lot more sense in Europe where we drive a lot more in the congested cities.

 

Toyota has local companies (still owned by Toyota Adria, which is owned by TMC) in every country and they all have their own deals, usually different.

Generally for small cars, in 90% of cases, discounts are focused on petrols because diesel engines are subsidized in price, and as we know, same as in US, profits on small cars are already very small. Plus these special editions with discounts target customers that are interested in price mostly so they view diesel engine option as premium ($2.5k-$3.5k more, depending on taxes).

 

Hi spwolf,

I see you're from Eastern Europe. Maybe you read German. In that case, you (and any other person who can) me be interested reading two Threads in the PriusFreunde Forum.

Prius als Langstreckenfahrzeug ! - PRIUSforum

PII im Dieselrevier / Autobahnverbrauch Erfahrung - PRIUSforum

We're speaking here about the "free" German highways, where many drive > 100 miles/h over long distances, when traffic allows it.

It appears the HSD powered hybrids, especially the 1,8 l based ones, are considered by most users as very good highway cars. But opinions are not 100 % positive...

Jan

 

Well we can agree that small diesels don't make much sense when it comes to people that are just running around short distances in the city. They are more expensive and need more maintenance. But these are maintenance issues, not reliability issues, and if you don't maintain them properly reliability drops. A prius seems to be quite reliable with low maintenance.

 

be a good guy and look for "DPF filter problems" on google, and educate yourself . And generally, diesels are a lot less reliable than petrols, but not alarmingly so.

If you are buying a larger car (larger than Corolla) in Europe, then diesel is almost necessary, since without diesel you will never be able to resell the car, no matter where you drive it. so you are basically forced into diesel by market conditions and then BAM you get issues with very small mileage cars.

So between hybrids and diesels, hybrids make so much more sense in Europe than in USA. Only reason they are not so popular is that only Toyota makes them. Just like every truck and larger car should have diesel in USA.

 

i can drive 95mph here without being ticketed by I really dont remember my high speed G2 mileage, and G3 i only drove around town (i had g2 for 3 years)... but overall, for me, my G2 consumption was between 4l and 6l, depending on winter/summer and how much I tried... for instance my Rav4 was 8.5l (diesel) and Auris 1.6 was 10l under same conditions where Prius got 5l. GS350 - around 15-18l.


However since at 100mph Prius is probably running close to 4500-5000 rpm, I am sure it is really not the best car for the highway, even if consumption is not that bad at all.


Back to the original discussion, there is little doubt to my mind that current generation hybrids like Yaris Hybrid is a LOT better choice for European drive than a diesel or petrol, at these prices. Looking at Toyota specifically, 1.4 D4D is a good engine and with small consumption but honestly you would have to be mad to get it over Hybrid.

But of course, until every manufacturer gets a hybrid and full range of them, they will never be more than Toyota in Europe. And while 10% of Toyota's sold as hybrid is a good number, 10% of 4% is only 0.4% market share.

With cars like Rav4 and Avensis, hybrid option has a lot better chance of selling in bigger % of the total sales, as Rav4 with Camry hybrid engine option would be quite good and sell a lot. With Yaris, Hybrid will never be high % of sales simply because it is expensive, like diesel - they predict 20%, which is good, but I bet in Rav4 it would be 50%-60%. Right now Rav4 diesel % is probably 80%-90% in most countries.

Sorry for long post.

 

Here is youtube video of Yaris Hybrid vs 180hp Polo GTI DSG.

As you can see, Polo is quicker, but not that quicker! Hybrid system as usual, is very good, especially at lower speeds what Yaris is built for. Now to go from 70 mph to 100mph, i am sure GTI will kill it and Yaris will be even very slow, but this car was not built for that! So excellent!

 

AMS article:
Toyota Yaris Hybrid im Fahrbericht: Sprit sparen für Einsteiger - AUTO MOTOR UND SPORT

As you can see, very different from British articles that say that it is slow and doesnt get good mpg. AMS got 3.1l (they were trying) .

And read this and compare to Brit reviews:

Generally AMS and Autobild have always been favourable to hybrids and asked how come their manufacturers are not building them.

 

p.s. I was in Poznan and I liked the city, month ago . I noticed your pricing for cars is pretty good...

 

I checked PriusFreunde and it seems many people, including yourself, like new Yaris Hybrid a lot, very positive reactions!