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VSC, ABS, and Power Steering warning lights

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by rocketrob, Jul 27, 2012.

  1. rocketrob

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    Driving home early from work today, moments after leaving the parking lot the VSC warning light illuminated. Followed by ABS and Power steering lights a few seconds later.

    Car drove normally. Systems seemed healthy.

    I quickly pulled over, took this picture, and then power cycled the car. The warning lights turned [off] and stayed off for remainder of drive home (~30 min).

    What happened?
     

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    1. Check the inverter coolant reservoir for fluid turbulence when the Prius is READY. If you see this then the inverter coolant pump is working.

    2. Check your 12V battery voltage. Perhaps it needs to be replaced.

    3. If you don't find a problem with 1 or 2 and the warning lights come back on then I suggest you have your car checked by your local Toyota dealer service dept since the lights warn of a potential safety issue.
     
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    Did this check earlier after reading this post. Fluid appears turbulent (although I have never checked and so have nothing to compare against). Cap came off with a 'pop' probably equivalent to the 29 kPa specified on the cap.

    ScanGuage reads battery voltage 12.1 V when car is [off], 13.8 when [ready]

    ScanGuage isn't reporting any codes. However the "Pending Codes" screen is haywire, see my previous post. If the light doesn't come back on, then SEU?

    I drive with ScanGuage connected.
     
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    12.1V is low. Especially if your battery is original I suggest you consider replacing it soon.

    However the warning lights may be related to another issue.
     
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    Yep... Your Battery is below the 12.3 volt minimum that people on Prius Chat say indicates if it needs to be replaced or not! Everything gets wacky when the battery is low.

    Perhaps this problem is related to an abnormal event that drained your 12 volt before the warning lights came on?
     
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    Huh. 12.1 volts is low for a 12V battery? That's not intuitive.

    There has been no battery draining event that I know of. 2007 original owner with 61K miles on it.

    Does the battery typically need replacement at 60K miles?

    I'll be ordering a yellow top soon!

    Thanks for the comments.
     
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    I'm here 'because of a used 2007 Prius I got in late Jan... And yea, it's really isn't intuitive. It's more of a preventative maintenance perspective... Batteries officially last 4 years... Some people can get 6 years....
     
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    Yea, it really isn't intuitive.

    But think of it this way... When a load is put on 12.1 volts it's most likely to go below 12v and computers and sensors are only accurate when they have an abundant supply of electrons...

    12V Batteries officially last 4 years... Some people can get 6 years... (I got 8 years once on an old Subaru)

    But here's what I'm trying to figure out: Can you explain more about your scan gauge problem?

    I'm still trying to figure out all the different methods for getting code/clearing code from the car...

    5 ways I know how to do this:

    1) scan gauge, 2) car/MFD in maintenance mode can get error get codes, 3) code available thru Torque app, 4) code available through CAN system & associated software, 5) code available from authorized Toyota dealers who pay stupid amounts of money for subscription to Toyota's software/firmware toolkit. (Warning: Auto mechanics are not IT guys)

    And the very best of all are the Toyota programmers in Japan that wrote the code that runs the cars... They have access to the source code and they know the history of the writing of the code, and they know how to hack the code to make their car run better than ours.

    If there is anyone out there who can make sense of all the above options and how they overlap, as well as how they can be used? Or do you know links to some threads about this?
     
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    A new 12V AGM (absorbed glass mat) battery, fully-charged, will measure 12.9V. 12.1V is near "fully discharged" status.

    Battery life typically will be as short as four years in areas with winter snow and as long as six years or more in moderate climates when the battery is kept charged. It can be reduced in very hot climates and also if the car is not driven regularly (since the battery has insufficient opportunity to be charged.)

    Your battery is 5-6 years old and that is the length of service to be reasonably expected. It looks like you drive ~10K miles per year which is OK. Southern CA summer weather can be pretty warm depending upon how far from the coast you are.

    I won't guarantee that the battery is the cause of your warning lights, but if you have a fresh and fully-charged battery installed then you can rule that out as a cause and there's less chance that you'll experience a no-start incident this coming winter.
     
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    I'm in Pasadena. In fact, it was a hot afternoon when I noticed the warning lights. My work being what it is, I haven't driven in the hot afternoon time of the day yet so far this summer. The combination of battery age, low voltage, and hot ambient temp seems like a reasonable explanation.

    Besides, 60K miles is a good time for preventative maintenance. I'll be replacing the battery very soon. (in addition to changing the transaxle fluid! And I'm beginning to think my struts are worn ... $$$)

    Thanks again for your excellent help.
     
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    We call them 12V batteries, however, they are really 12.66V batteries. When turning your car on, there is a large demand for power and the voltage drops. If your battery voltage drops low enough, certain components will begin to malfunction.

    Mileage is not really a factor, age is. 5 years is a good life for a battery and a common time for replacement.

    Your picture shows the VSC, ABS as well as a third light indicating a issue with the brakes. One possibility is the VSC system malfunctioned during start up due to a weak battery. This could have upset the brake and ABS system shortly after. Your short drive would have re-charged the battery slightly which would explain the normal start up after the power cycle.

    Since you are in Los Angeles, I see no reason for you to visit a dealership service dept other then for warranty work. I am an independent repair shop and would be glad to help you out.

    Avi