Comparison between gasoline and electric usage for 100 miles.

I agree with your science. Electricity is cheaper than gas.

 

No it's not (necessarily). It is cheaper to use electricity to move your car than it is to use gas. Electricity is MUCH more efficient. Gasoline (E-10) at $3.50 is equivalent to Electricity at $0.108 per kWh, in terms of energy.

 

Since my landlord is charging me $15.00 a month to charge I figure: 11.9 EV x 31 days= 368.9 miles per month. I'm getting burned

 

of course that's assuming I charge my PIP everyday (once a day since the electricity comes on at dusk and off at dawn) sometimes I don't charge at all on some days or I still have some EV left in the "tank" so the MAX mileage I could achieve is 368.9 miles on a good month so assuming 15 divide by 368.9=.004066 times 500 ( max mpg in HV times 10 gallons)=20.33 a month for gas equivalent. that's if I would travel 500 miles in a month which I do not.

 

And how is that not cheaper that gas?

Let me rephrase.

If you are paying less than $0.25 khw than electricity is cheaper than using gas to move your vehicle.

I am not going to get all scientific here, but it is.

Your landlord is ripping you off at $15 a month to charge your car. I charge about 10 a week and my bill went up maybe $12 a month, but I pay no more than $.16kwh.

 

If I could fire my landlord I Would

LG-MS910 ? 2

 

Great info.

My electricity rate is $0.10610/kWh (same rate 24hrs/day + tax on top). How much will it cost for me to charge the PHV battery if "empty"?

Is this attempt at math correct? 3.0 Hours .10610 x .9 x 3.0 = $0.286

Still waiting to hear on my pre-order.... trying to be patient...

 

p.s. You Yanks should switch to kilometers. The PHV is rated for 22 km city driving and 18 km highway here in Canada. Those numbers sound a lot higher than 11 LOL

 

not 3.0 hours, 3kw total watts is for 3.0 hours at 240 volts or 1.5 hours at 110 volts

 

Reading from others with meters I hear the most it will charge is 3.2 kw. So if you have completely drained the tranction battery, it will take about 3 hours to charge the car. So at $0.10 a kwh, it should cost you about $0.30.

 

i pay .16/kwh so about .50 to fill up. i go 15 miles for .50 or 75 miles for $2.50 vs $3.75 for gas which also takes me about 75 mile. to corwyn's point, using my reults, electricity would have to cost around .25/kwh for breakeven with gas. of course, gas is creeping back up again too.

 

3.2 kWh (kilowatt-hours is a measure of energy, kilowatts is a measure of power)

240 Volts at (say) 25 amps = 6.0 kW (Power(Watts) = Voltage(Volts) * Current(Amps))
6.0 kW for 32 minutes = 3.2 kWh (Energy (Watts-hours) = Power(Watts) * Time (Hours)

120 Volts at 15 amps = 1.8 kW
1.8 kWh for 1 hour 46 minutes = 3.2 kWh

There are, of course, some losses here, and chargers don't run at full current for the entire time, so actual charging times will be longer.

Costs are 3.2 kWh * $0.106/kWh = $0.34

 

Well put, thanks Corwyn

 

Yes, Thankyou. It is a problem keeping KWHrs and KW straight. I gather that KWHrs are only used when time has elapsed ???

 

correct, KW's are instantaneous ( the readings fluctuate over time) KWH's is accumilated KW's over a given time.

 

So the landlord is actually providing a fair deal if person would pay $12 at home or $15 at an apartment. Had to come up with some number and I'd give the landlord a tip of the hat for NOT ripping off tenants who are saving on gasoline usage and for providing a means to do it. $15 would look to be a very fair number if one had to go to a flat fee for an outdoor outlet for a tenant.

 

Everyone forget to amortize the battery replacement cost. So allow me to burst your bubble.
Assuming the replacement cost of the pack is $3K ( which is low) and the number of 100% charging cycle is 3000 ( still not proven), so each charge cycle will have $3K/3000 = $1 of amortized cost.
Each charge cycle will cost $0.286 in electricity and $1 in battery replacement hidden cost or $1.286 for 13 miles.
BTW, 3000 x 13 miles = 39,000 mile, so the battery pack good for about 39K miles.

 

This is exactly what people said about the original Prius. Turns out, they were wrong. I am therefore willing to give Toyota engineers the benefit of the doubt, until more information comes in.

3000 charges is over 8 years. The warranty is for 8 years or 100,000 miles. So if it fails before then it is replaced for FREE. In CARB states (where most of the Plugins are) the warranty is 15 10 years or 150,000 miles. So even if you are correct that the battery needs to replaced every 39,000 miles, the amortization should be done over 170,000 miles. In other words if one decides to replace the battery in one's Plugin at 170,000 miles, the cost per mile will be less than 2 cents.