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Insurance Institute for Highway Safety vs Toyota

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by bwilson4web, Nov 21, 2009.

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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    That works for me.

    "ProximalSuns" the IIS had six months before given the Prius a top safety pick and then took it back when they announced their "new test." The "Prius c" has only been out for . . . less than six months but well within the window to get savaged by IIS. If they drop it silently, no problem. If they pull the same stunt as they did the last time . . .

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    We must recognize the IIHS is a pac. They are a little concerned about safety, but mainly concerned about political influence and getting more money. In this regard they often exagerate that very safe vehicles are unsafe. This gets them press, and more press gets them more cash money, and the air waves to push their political agenda.

    Think of it as one of those political adds, the camry's roof is unsafe, it is going to kill mom. Its made by toyota who want's to kill your mom. Absolutely a false impression, but until we speak up and tell these PACs to stop, they will keep up the bad work.
     
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    No one has done more to improve auto safety than IIHS, pushing ABS brakes, airbags, crumple zones, active head restraints, side impact protection. IIHS testing program has proven to be the gold standard. Adopted by the NHTSA which has much more of a problem with auto industry interference via auto industry lobbyists.
     
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    Antilock brakes, that was bosch along in cars by mercedes and bmw. No IIHS invention. Consumers asked for them, and they trickled down from high end cars. IIHS and you don't get to invent history.

    Airbags was a US inventor, first used again in Mercedes. One push was the Johnson administrations. Air bags got invented in the 50s, but technology advances in the 1980s made them widespread. Airbag legislation didn't take effect until 1998, but dislike for the automatic seat belts required without airbags moved them forward.

    The IIHS has exactly nothing to do with getting either technology implemented. They did do some things to go from 2 to a gazillion airbags, which is probably jut a waste of money. I don't know the history of those other things as well, but I would bet you that without the IIHS, the good ones would have happened and safety might even be less expensive today. Was IIHS responsible for that stupid beep that congress wants in hybrids?

    Creating new tests, then blackmailing manufactures to pay you to conduct the tests, is not ethical behavior. Publishing misleading studies on the safety of cars we own, is fear mongering, and appeals to the worst instincts of the Political Action Committee. Don't belive the lies, and certainly don't pass these lies back to us as facts. My prius is perfectly safe, even if toyota did not bend to IIHS blackmail. IIHS printing a misleading report does not make my car any more dangerous. The greatest safety device in a car is the driver, and car owners need good information to make informed choices. IIHS seems with this test to try and put out the most misleading information, and only a shill would defend them at this. A correct translation of the IIHS report is this. All Toyotas are unsafe because they didn't pay us to do our new misleading test.
     
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    Aren't you glad no one said IIHS invented ABS or airbags or crumple zones or side impact barriers or active head restraints or offset crash testing.

    It was IIHS lobbying that made ABS brakes standard equipment and crumple zones or side impact barriers or active head restraints or offset crash testing. Insurance industry siding with Consumer Reports and other auto safety consumer advocates overcame the auto industry resistance on making cars safer.

    IIHS is a major force for good with a great track record of successfully lobbying government and industry to improve auto safety.
     
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    Do you have any evidence of that at all Do you have any evidence of that at all. IIHS had nothing to do with major automakers adopting abs.

    It dis however put out disceitful false and misleading reports that safe cars were unsafe.

    Can you show one link of IIHS sucessfully getting automakers to implement abs. Start out thinking of the history, then try to look up how IIHS was invovled.

    Then stop repeating lies.