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  1. Selby_deleon

    Selby_deleon New Member

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    Hello,

    A red triangle light came on on the dashboard of my 2006 Prius. Also, there is a beep every time I turned the car on coming from the MFD along with a message that says "problem" and it is followed by a red car with icon on the top left corner on the MFD.

    I noticed the HV battery meter on the MFD only showed two brown bars a few times, first thing in the morning in the past few days (one of those days it was down to one brown bar). Yesterday when all the above problems started, I noticed the HV battery was two bars from being fully charged at around 2:45 p.m. When I got back home last night and checked on the problem again, it only had two brown bars with the same error messages, and the vehicle was in the garage the whole time.

    I turned the car on this morning and noticed the battery meter only had two bars on the MFD, and went down to one bar after I drove the vehicle in reverse out of the garage. The engine ran for about 10 minutes charging the battery and stop after it put around two blue bars on the meter; however, I noticed the battery chischarged again down to two or one bar while the vehicle was just sitting in the driveway in less than 7 minutes. Headlights, radio, and AC were all off. I have also noticed that the vehicle has been running the gas engine more frequently than when I first got it. The gas mileage has also decreased

    I am thinking about taking it by the dealership but I thought I'd ask here first in case someone has encoutered a similar problem and has found solution. The car only has 115k miles on it and has never given me any problems except for all these that started yesterday.

    Thanks in advance,

    Selby
     
  2. Patrick Wong

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    Hi Selby,

    The warning lights indicate that your car has a hybrid drivetrain problem, so you should visit your local Toyota dealer so that the DTC can be read and a diagnosis provided to you.
     
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    Hey Patrick,
    I've seen you post b4 that if "problem" comes up on the MFD, that means low on oil. And... it would make sense that this occurs when you first start the car in the morning (b4 the oil that is available begins to circulate).

    To the OP, this is not to say that you don't have a problem w/ your battery b/c it sounds like you do. I would try driving around with the MFD on the "Energy" screen and watch what happens to the battery. Try to drive it on a flat highway at about 45-55 mph (to ensure battery is charging) for about 10 minutes. You will know if its at nearly full charge when the battery starts to provide assistance intermittently for short bursts. Once fully charged (6 blue bars in this case. To get to 7 or 8 green bars, you will need a fairly long downhill stretch that allows you to regen), you should then resort to city/stop and go driving or drop to 35mph and try to use some of the charge. If the charge decreases quickly, you def have a problem. If you can drive all electric for a mile (at 35-40mph on a flat surface) or so b4 it decreases to about 2 or 3 bars, your car is functioning properly.

    With all that said, if you always have a triangle, there is def a problem that needs attention.
     
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    The presence of the hybrid vehicle warning icon means that the problem is more than a low engine oil issue.

    It is possible that the engine oil level might be low and that should be checked; but that issue would be in addition to whatever problem exists with the hybrid drivetrain.
     
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    I just went home and checked the oil and so far so good. I'd hate to drive unless I had to because I am afraid the thing may just leave me on the side of road since the battery drains in just a few minutes while the vehicle is just sitting there with nothing running, it was down to one brown bar just now. Not sure if it matters, but I changed the transaxle fluid back at around 88k as recommended here. I noticed a yellow light located just above the red triangle with the exclamation sign in the middle of it just now came on in addition to other lights. I forgot to mention earlier, but the check engine light has also been on the whole time along with the triangle and car icon on the mfd.
     
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    This is rather vague. How about taking sharp photos of the dashboard warning lights, and post.
     
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    Its important that you have the codes read asap by the dealer. You are forced to go to the dealer as a run of the mill free OBDII scanner found at auto parts stores will not display Hybrid Codes. The dealer will charge a $125 diagnostic fee and the important thing is to get ALL the codes thrown and report them all back here before you spend any more money at the dealer. We need all the codes. Until then do not drive the car.

    Good Luck.
     
  8. Selby_deleon

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    Ok,

    I went by the dealership yesterday and these are the codes they pulled P3000 (battery control system), P0A80 (replace hybrid battery) and P3011 (battery block 1 becomes weak).
    Driving the vehicle to the dealership was not a problem. Once they were done, I started driving it back to the house, but I noticed the vent on the right side of the rear seat was blowing the whole time after turning the vehicle on (that rarely ever happened). I also noticed the vehicle suddenly accelerated while coming up to a full stop. The battery appeared to be fully charged up, but the MFD only displayed the engine doing all the work. Another thing I noticed was the sudden lack of torque. It didn't matter how much gas I gave it, it had an extremely low take off speed and the engine just didn't seem to be putting a lot of torque to the wheels. I guess the vehicle is not driveable anymore.
     
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    Yes. The DTC as well as your driveability symptoms indicate the traction battery needs to be replaced. Did your dealer quote a price for that work?
     
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    Of course they did $3294..........I guess I'm gonna start looking somewhere to get one besides the dealership.
     
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    Aren't these batteries supposed to last over the life of the car?....I know a cell can go bad at any time as well as a number of other things with these batteries, especially since I took exeptional care of the car. I am a bit disappointed though. I am gonna have to get the battery replaced and get rid of the vehicle and just go back to a regular car. Anybody interested in buying it as is and replace the battery or after I replace the battery, let me know....I won't be selling it for much. By the way, thanks to everybody for the help.
     
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    Where do you live?
     
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    Yes. However "life of the car" is a nebulous concept. This is typically defined as 150K miles by auto industry standards.

    What is the odometer reading on your car?

    If you are going to incur the cost of replacing the battery, why not drive it for a while longer and get some value out of that investment?
     
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    How hard and/or dangerous is it to remove and replace a battery block from the battery pack? I know ebay sells them for around $40 dollars plus shipping and if that is all that is wrong with, is much better than spending $3k at the dealership or buying a salgave pack that may go out soon after the vehicle is back on the road.
    I have a friend who is a mechanic that would help me do it, but he would like to see and/or know how it is done so that he does not get fried in the process. Could somebody show me a step by step manual on how to do it or maybe direct me to a link or video somwhere to see how it is done? Is the dealership's diagnostic accurate as far as saying that block 1 gets weak or could there more blocks getting weak? If I counted right, the pack has around 30 blocks/cells at 7.2v each?
    Anyways I would appreciate any help I can get.
     
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    ^^^
    See Failed traction (HV) battery, what to do? - Prius Wiki. Doing what you're suggesting may only be a temporary fix. But then again, if you just want to get it running to sell it.

    Please answer about where you live. CA and CARB states cover the HV battery for 10 years/150K miles. If you're not in one, we're curious about whether you're in a hot climate and/or have significant hills on your daily drives.
     
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    I live in AL. The car was driven on a daily basis on my off days always loaded with 4-5 people since that was the only vehicle we had for awhile.
     
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    I came across an opened 04-09 battery and decided to replace the cell to ge the car running again. So I noticed it has 28 blocks of (6 cells each) connected in a series circuit. Which one of those blocks is #1, the closest to the ECU or the one on the other side? I also noticed battery leads/contacts apeared to be clamped, what can I use to remove/reinstall one of them around the middle of the whole thing so that I can break the circuit? Any info I can get on this will be highly appreciated
     
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    I believe that #1 is closest to the ECU but you should use a voltmeter to confirm which module is bad. The modules are tracked by the battery ECU in 14 pairs. Even if you were sure which pair was #1, you still need to measure module voltage to determine which of the two had failed.

    You need to remove the orange traction battery interlock which will open up the battery circuit. Then you can safely remove the orange bus bars on both sides of the battery.
     
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    Thank you for the information Patrick, the orange interlock you are referring to is the one near the ECU that you pull off and have to wait a few minutes until the voltage drains out correct? I did not know it opened the circuit. I though the voltage was still live inside the big cover, so my next question is, how many sections of the actually circuit does the interlock open, half - 110 on each half or more sections? Can you specify what voltage remains live....14.4 per pair or more?
     
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    Hi Selby,

    With 2G, the orange traction battery interlock switch does not open the module series circuit at the halfway point. I don't recall exactly where it is opened, but this will become obvious once you remove the cover and see where the interlock wires lead.

    The purpose of waiting a few minutes is for the electrolytic capacitors within the inverter to discharge.

    Yes, even when the interlock is removed, there is still enough voltage potential inside the battery case to cause damage to you, and this is why Toyota suggests that insulating gloves be worn.

    Of course, once you remove an orange bus bar on one side of the battery, then the potential voltage hazard will decline to a very safe level.