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Slide backward on hill dry pavement, hot day

Discussion in 'Prius v Main Forum' started by Brian123456, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. Brian123456

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    More approriate...rolling backward...quite alarmingly fast. Anyone had this happen? 3rd time for me. Each time it happened it was on a hot day, after my commute home, parked, then the the car sits for 20 minutes. It happens when I leave my house. I hear the hybrid fan on (battery must be hot after my commute, plus baking on my driveway). So at the first stop sign after leaving my house, I wait for a second for traffic. As usual, the gas engine cuts off while I wait. (normal so far). This stop sign is on a moderately steep incline. When I release the brake, and hit the accelerator, I drift backward alarmingly fast and there is no power...none. I have the pedal all the way to the floor...nothing. It feels like it's in neutral, and yes the car is in drive) until finally...2 seconds later the gas engine comes to life, and I've drifted back about 10ft. Very scary. I've been lots of hills with this car...no problem. This is different. Then for the next 3-4 minutes, you can tell its only driving on gas power alone...no battery assist as the RPMs rev up on accelerating just like a standard car.

    I think what has happened is the electric motor is sensed as being too hot (hence the fan), and shut down relying only on the gas motor only. The problem is, the electric motor is what prevents back rolling. On a hill, with zero electric motor, you get the 2 second free fall until something stops it...your brake or the gas motor. Toyota service is escallating but can't find any codes, nothing wrong. They suspect some kind of control software issue that probably every car has....and might encouter if the same setup conditions exist.

    Am I the only one here? Almost nailed a pedestrian who walked behind my car at this stop sign the other day but I aborted the gas pedal (which was doing nothing) and hit the break.
     
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    I think you mean that you are rolling, not sliding backward. If so, I suggest that you give this a try, if you have not yet done so: When you are ready to move on, press the brake pedal REALLY HARD and then quickly move your foot to the accelerator and hit the gas. Pressing the brake pedal in this manner activates the brief hill-holding mechanism, and by so doing may solve your sliding/rolling problem. I hope so. I have no clue about the other symptoms you describe.
     
  3. Brian123456

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    Right, Rolling...I will change that. This isn't the normal back rolling thing. I go through this stop sign 5 times a day for 2 years in this car...never a problem except on these 3 occasions where the car free-fell backward until the gas motor kicked in. Something is definitely not right. Not something to be solved by changing what I'm doing with the pedals anyway. Thanks for the feedback!
     
  4. a priori

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    Brian -- welcome to PriusChat!

    It does sound to me as though the Hill Assist would help you. If you haven't tried this, just follow the basic instructions noted above. Once you press the brake very firmly, you'll get a flashing light on the dash and an audible signal that the Hill Assist is active. This will hold the car in place for up to two seconds, allowing you to move your foot from the brake to the accelerator.

    If you've already tried this, and you aren't getting any progress, then you may have some more significant issues.

    You've noted it is hot and you hear the battery fan come on. Are you using A/C? It is important to keep the battery cool.

    By the way, you posted in the Prius v forum, which is for the 2012 Prius v Wagon, not the 2010-2011 Prius (Hatchback) Model V (or 5). I'm certain one of the Moderators will be able to move this thread to the appropriate forum -- nothing to worry about.
     
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    Thanks...I'm sure it would help. But this problem is not encountered on this hill the other 2000 times I go through this stop sign a year. Literally it's the street that leaves my house. The normal back-roll on the prius is quite sufficient...never have a problem except for this 3 times. This was a wholesale lack of power for a full 2 seconds.....I mean I've got the pedal to the metal and nothing. Dead. Meawhile it's drifting back as if there nothing to stop it...not a sublte back roll that isn't totally moderated, this is a complete free roll back with no force at all holding it up. Not to debate the pros and conds of the manual hill assist, I've read those threads. I think this is somthing very different that that.
     
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    I'll take your word for that. It sounds like either a software or battery issue. Given the age of your car, it doesn't seem like it would be a battery problem.

    Just for the record: Have you used the Hill Assist function in the past? Is it available right now?
     
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    You should have the dealer check it out as it sounds like a serious safety problem. Others have mentioned the hill-assist feature and it's important that you know how it works. I had a problem somewhat similar to yours because I didn't know how to use the hill-assist feature. The problem with hill-assist is that it only works for a couple of seconds. When I stopped on a hill for a red light, I pressed the brake pedal hard all the way to the floor thinking that that would engage the hill-assist. What I didn't know at the time was that the hill-assist braking expired after a couple of seconds and when I moved my foot from the brake to the gas, the car rolled backwards. Here's the proper way to use hill-assist: Press the brake only enough to keep the car from rolling backwards. When the light turns green, press the brake pedal all the way to the floor until you hear a beep. Then move your foot from the brake to the gas (without pausing for more than a couple of seconds) and the car's brakes will be locked until you press the gas pedal.

    I think your problem may not be related to hill-assist because you mention that the traction battery doesn't seem to supply power to the wheels when you press the gas pedal and you have to wait for the gasoline engine to start up before you have power to the wheels. If that's the case, you need to see the dealer.
     
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    Brian, do you have a '12 Prius v wagon?
     
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    If the car believes you are pressing the brake pedal at all (either you are placing a small amount of pressure on it, riding it with your other foot, or the brake pedal sensor is not aligned totally correctly) then it will not listen to the accelerator pedal input (Brake Override function). If you did this on a steep incline and were touching the brake pedal so lightly that you weren't actually engaging the brakes but just triggering the sensor, this is exactly what would happen.