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12V Battery Replacement as preventative maintenance

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Erik Aalto, Oct 2, 2012.

  1. Erik Aalto

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    Hi all,

    I have a 2008 Prius (09/07 build date), and was hoping to get some advice. I bought the car brand new 11/07, and it currently reads 129,045 miles on the odometer. Is now a good time to replace the 12V battery? Is the Optima Yellow Top the best choice for replacement?

    Do driving habits play a part in 12V battery life? I am starting to get concerned only because I have read so many stories about 12V failure, and I would much rather tackle this as a preventative item then be caught off guard.

    For some insight into what kind of driving this Prius has seen:
    For the first 60,000 miles: a lot of 100+ mile round trips of mostly freeway driving, a few 500-1,000 mile interstate round trips, majority of driving was 50 mile round trips daily driving in Los Angeles Traffic.

    From 60,000 miles - 118,000 miles, the car has seen mostly 110 mile round trips of highway miles 5x a week, around 64 MPH cruise, with the occasional 220 mile round trip to the beach.

    118,000 miles to present - 60 mile round trip of slightly hilly terrain 5 times a week.

    I have ran out of gas in the car once on the freeway at freeway speed, and was able to coast off of the freeway, and ran on the traction battery to a gas station. Was down to one purple bar. I have ran out of gas one other time (thanks wife), and the car would physically not move any further, had to walk to the gas station (1/4 mile).

    Other than user error (running out of gas), the car has given me absolutely no problems. I replaced the drive belt at 90K, and had the rotors resurfaced because I was experience a brake wobble (I attributed this to the stop and go traffic of LA, where the friction brakes probably saw a ton of use). On 3rd set of tires. Otherwise, I just stick to routine maintenance at the dealership, have done a couple throttle bottle cleanings, PCV replacements, and rear brake cleaning/adjustment.

    Outside of the 12V replacement, are there any other maintenance items I should be looking at for a 5 year old Prius with ~130K miles?
     
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    Maintenance items for consideration:

    Iridium spark plug replacement
    Transaxle ATF fluid replacement
    Engine and inverter/transaxle coolant replacement
    Engine air and cabin air filter replacement if not done in last 30K miles

    Regarding the 12V battery, since your car has logged relatively high annual miles, that helps to keep the battery in top condition. If you have snow on the ground during the winter and would be significantly inconvenienced by a no-start situation then it would be reasonable to replace the battery soon.

    I think you should determine which battery is cheaper for you to purchase: the GS Yuasa from your local dealer or the Optima, and make your choice based upon price. Several recent purchasers of Optima have reported the battery was relatively discharged due to shelf storage for an extended period, so if you see that the battery date code is more than 1-2 months ago you may want to fully-charge the battery prior to installation or refuse its purchase.
     
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    If you have not changed the transaxle fluid with ATF WS, I would.

    At 4 years, the 12 volt battery can go bad anytime, but I would just start adding the onscreen voltage measurement to my 5000 mile service and wait for a change.
     
  4. Erik Aalto

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    Sorry, I guess I forgot to mention my 120K service :)

    I had spark plugs replaced at 118K
    Haven't had Transaxle ATF fluid replacement or engine and inverter/transaxle coolant replacement
    I typically do the engine and cabin filters myself, give them a visual inspection every few months or so.

    If I were to go through the dealership for the Transaxle ATF fluid replacement, and the engine and inverter/transaxle coolant replacement, do you have any idea what that would run me? I plan on doing the PCV service, and clean and adjust rear brakes, which is about $170 on top of the $40 service coupon I have, so $210 or so right off the bat. (5k service usually runs me around $70 (NC)). Any idea on the cost of the Toyota battery? Short of having a multimeter to test the battery voltage myself, if I ask for the battery storage capacity test, is there a # that I should be looking for?
     
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    My transaxle drain and fill was $109 at the dealer, so that should be a good ballpark number.
     
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    Okay, thanks!!

    I was looking through a dealership coupon book that I have, and I actually may be better off getting the total service in the range of $500, as i have a $100 off coupon...

    So if I throw in battery, transaxle, pcv, clean and adjust rear brakes, oil change and tire rotation, engine and inverter/transaxle coolant replacement, I might get to use my coupon. I could imagine this would be a semi-lenghty service, so I may also get to use the complimentary vehicle rental coupon. Awesome. My service advisor will probably love me.
     
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    Update:

    I called the Toyota dealership I frequent, and the part cost for a new 12V battery is $199 + tax. I have decided that I am going to to do the installation myself, as I have all the necessary tools, and save some money that way.

    I can order the direct fit Optima Yellow top for 189.95 on Amazon, so I will probably just go that route, as it looks like it should be just as easy to install as the OEM battery.
     
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    I'd think twice before buying the Optima from Amazon or any other mail order place. Optima does not require their dealers to provide warranty support for any battery that they didn't sell. If you have a problem, you will have to deal with Amazon or with Optima directly to get the problem verified and get a replacement. This usually involves shipping the battery to them at your expense and waiting for them to verify the problem and send you a replacement. You can find the details of the Optima warranty on their website, and they sell their batteries directly as well at MSRP.

    Advance and Autozone sell the direct replacement Optima, and they can usually get them in a day or two if they don't have one in stock at your local store. You can probably get a better price if you wait for an online sale (10, 15 or 20% off). I bought my Optima online from Advance and had it shipped directly to my house, but I don't think they do that anymore. If I have a problem I can get it taken care of at any Advance store. This might not be a viable option for you if you aren't near one of their stores.

    I imagine that the chance that you will need warranty service is low, but I was able get the Optima battery at a better price and still have local warranty service if I need it.
     
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    Also check out the Exide Edge battery in your area 4 year guaranty AGM battery with greater capacity than the OEM or the Optima. Direct fit battery for the Prius part number FP-AGM51-JIS at around $160.
     
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    I didn't even think of that as a consideration I should make, but worst case scenario, if it fails within 3 years, I'm okay with contacting customer service to fix the problem. I work in customer service myself, for a company that is known for it's customer service, and I have even been surprised with the kind of results I have gotten just by asking questions in a nice way - new blender after it failed 4 years out of warranty, a new iPad through AMEX extended warranty, etc.

    I appreciate the feedback, I decided to just maintain the order through Amazon, my battery should be here by Friday. Should I try to give it a full charge before I install it, or just plug and play?

    I will maybe look at the Exide as it comes time to replace the 12V battery in my 2011 Prius.
     
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    Give it a full charge.
     
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    In fun news, I expected Fed Ex to deliver the battery today, so in anticipation, I went ahead and removed the old battery. But, Fed Ex never showed up. So I got to put everything back together. On the plus side, I guess I'm adept at DIY 12V battery replacement now.

    Patrick, IF I don't give it a full charge, will that really make a huge difference?
     
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    The Prius charging system is not very good at charging a discharged 12v battery, so charge it for a while, but limit the charging current to about 2 amps.

    JeffD
     
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    Looks like you are logging driving time of 5 hours a week or more (depending upon your average speed) so at that rate it may take a few weeks to fully charge the battery if it is significantly discharged upon receipt.
    Note that the Optima website allows up to a 10A charging current. I recognize that a low charging current is better with regards to promoting battery longevity and reducing battery heat generation, but that has to be balanced against the time demands faced by the OP.
     
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    Gen 3 owners should not be needing new 12 volt batteries yet in significant numbers, but my v inverter runs at 14.4-14.5 volts while my Gen 2 ran the inverter at 13.7-13.8, so the Gen 2 charging a flat battery issue should be reduced when Gen 3s age to needing 12 volt batteries.
     
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    I actually don't have a battery tender, so it will just have to be charged in the car as I drive it. Upon installation, I did the display check, and it read 12.0 V unloaded...I went for a quick 20 minute drive around the neighborhood, ran a check when I got home, and it read 12.5 V unloaded. My drive time to work is usually 40 minutes, drive time home is 40 minutes, and that happens 5 times a week. I am just about due for a service, but I may extend my mileage above 5K for that one, and drive the car to and from the beach this weekend (~280 mile round trip, should be about 5 hours of drive time). If it takes a few weeks to charge, that's fine with me. I just want to have my dying battery concerns alleviated.
     
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    Should I assume that my original 12V is toast and just dispose of it? I feel like an expert at battery removal/installation now, and it's giving me the DIY bug with this car. I miss playing with my tools (I even organized my toolbox in anticipation of today).