2013 Ford Fusion Energi at $39,495, Priced Higher Than Volt!

He's talking about the West Virginia STATE credit. It is indeed $7500, and it rolls from one year to the next until you exhaust it. Check out the last posts in the plugin incentives thread.

 

...yes I should have said incentive, in the case of WVa you are allowed to carry any excess tax credit over to future years. But I was just building on the idea that the FORD cost could be competitve after they reduce it a little and then incentives kick-in to make the deal really nice depending on states incentives.

 

Wow that's incredible that West Virginia gives such a big incentive. Wiki shows West Virginia ( as of 2011) as being the second to the poorest state in the nation - income wise. The Ford c-max ( before incentives) in WV costs almost 2 years wages for the average income earners. Certainly they'd need the incentive money to afford it. But with lower average wages - comes a lower amount of income taxe coming in to the state. What am I missing ... where's the money coming from.

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...off topic, but suffice it to say they really like the idea of using their own in-state fossil fuels to power the cars. But obviously incentive may not last forever so timing is everything. Great state for Volts and PiP for now. PiP for as low as $17k after all is said and done.

 

There is quite a lot.

California is projected to have a $15B budget deficit in 2013. IMHO they are likely to sell around 30% of plug-ins in that state next year, many who would buy with the federal tax credits and HOV stickers. I do not know what the plug in program costs, but its something that is probably expensive for a government running a huge deficit.

WV is working on running a balanced budget for 2013, and sell very few plug-in cars.

$1000-$2500 times a lot is much bigger and more expensive than $7500 times very few. I am not saying wv incentive program is bad, but its not likely to sell a large percentage of plug-in cars.

 

well I would hope that much nicer Fusion is not cheaper than Volt.
I mean difference in platforms is $10k easily.

Whats the trunk like - where are the batteries?

 

hmm.... does that mean the Honda PI Accord is going to be around $40k too?

 

Its silly to talk about these things in a vacuum. After rebates on list prices ford has the upper hand

c-max $30K - 21 aer, 41 mpg highway epa, 188 hp
prius phv $30K -11 CD blended 49 mpg highway, 134 hp
volt $32k - 38 aer 40 mpg highway,

Ford has the c-max to try to beat out the competition for value for a phev buyer. It appears that it would rather sell c-max energi and fusion hybrid than fusion energi.

No one really has a competitive product to the fusion energi.

We have no idea for honda pricing. They may need to price it lower.

 

agreed - not just based on average income - but also lower population difference compared to many other states.

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Sorry, it isn't a car if I can't fill it up on energy fast all over the place and have no range restrictions. I've driven 1,200 miles in a day, all over this continent (and others) in all sorts of cars from a Model-A to a Prius and none of those suffered from the restrictions of a plug-in. I could have one as a third car if I were rich and urban.Heck, I'm paying enough of a premium for a Prius.

Plus the article didn't mention the cost or installation expense of a charge in station at home.

Other cars were disqualified for subjective reasons, I'll disqualify the Tesla from my buying list until I have no location or range anxiety. (Though I applaud its invention and innovation.)

(By the way, that trip I described in the one I'll take December 28th to go to a wedding. It wasn't made up to make the Tesla look bad, but came to mind as an example of the real world where the COTY just doesn't work. I only have so much time to get to the rehearsal dinner. And why should any COTY cause me to use another car?)

 

A guy I worked with got a few years income as a severence package from work paid at once. His accountant suggested he purchase a EV to offset his tax liability. he did have another job lined up but wanted to take a 2 month hiatis.

 

This is a fusion energi thread, you may want to go to a tesla thread. The fusion energi at $36K after federal incentives looks relatively inexpensive compared to the tesla S (starting at $50K after federal incentives). It also can get filled up anywhere.

The fusion though only has acceleration in the 8s versus 4.4-5.6 seconds to 60 in the Tesla. It also kicks in its engine after 21 epa aer. Tesla has more luxury and better handling and acceleration. You do pay for it in cash, and maybe you need to wait around to recharge occasionally. Its not such a big deal for the target market.

They seem to be between free and $2500 depending on your utility and your wiring. The local utility gives you a free one here.

Its definitely not for everyone.

Tesla type cars will be doing good if they get sold to 5% of car buyers. Hybrids have languished at 2%-3% for a long time. I don't know what COTY stands for, but daily drives average 29 miles, a 265 mile aer tesla S can cover many of those. Its big problem is price. Most want a less expensive car. That is why phev should take a much bigger market share in the near term than bevs.

 

The restrictions of a plug in? I missed what that is. The PiP still gets about 50mpg once the battery is depleted/charge sustain mode. So .... maybe you can explain - what restriction. I've driven 1200 miles in a day too. Heck our Kalispell home is 1350 miles from our SoCal home ... a 19 - 20hr drive. It has nothing to do though, with 99.9 % of my usual driving. When I hear people talking about how they fall within the 85% average this - or the 90% group of that - it serves no purpose for me to blurt out, "I know lots of people that don't fit in that group" ... or, " well that doesn't apply to me because ....".
IOW, the majority understands that the other 10% - 15% percent doesn't apply to there world. Ok ...

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$50-100K is about right for top end luxury car. It's easy to spend that much on a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus. Tesla has more status and exclusivity (key factors in luxury car market) than any of those and arguably for less money.

As someone who will be buying a Ford Fusion Energi if it gets 20 miles EV and 47 mpg hybrid mode, at $40K, I would definitely look at a low end Tesla at $50K. I don't think Tesla will sell any at that low price until it feels it has saturated the $100K market and, based on Tesla's current order backlog, that will not be for some time.

My Ford Escape Hybrid AWD was $36K. $39K for a Ford Fusion EV/hybrid seems about right.