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PiP/Volt January 7-11 Switcheroo

Discussion in 'Gen 1 Prius Plug-in 2012-2015' started by Jeff N, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. Jeff N

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    Okay, thanks. It's not very intuitive and I haven't had time to look at the owner manual yet.
     
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    Frequent problem... We have over 20 plugins according to an afternoon parking lot census I did a couple of months ago. We have only 2 duplex outlets surrounded by marked EV spaces and another which is essentially only accessible from one space.

    The 120V circuits share a 40A breaker so people have figured out that they can plug 2-3 cars into one duplex outlet at a time but every few months the outlet gets fried and needs to be replaced.

    Supposedly we are getting real 240V charging "soon" but the process has been very slow and bureaucratic. When we finally get that done I should be able to do my commute in the Volt almost gas-free -- maybe 500-1000 mpg.
     
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    I just pulled into work not long ago with 89 mpg but still at 27% EV. I forgot to look at the end of drive efficiency summary so I'm not sure what my hybrid mpg was this morning.

    I did get 12.7 miles EV-only this morning versus 11.9 yesterday morning. Yesterday I glided the first downhill stretch in town in neutral to ensure I didn't have ICE problems. Today I just drove it normally and it stayed in EV. Temperatures were mid to upper 40's again. Overnight garage temperature was 59F.
     
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    You are getting a hang of it. I bet you can squeeze out more efficiency, especially with warmer temp.
     
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    Be careful, efficiency has to be broken down into both electricity and gasoline depending on the miles driven on each.

    I know you are expressing the overall gasoline consumption with MPG and ignoring the electricity consumption.
     
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    Sure, but at that extreme my gas mpg would have to be really terrible to make much of a difference to my overall efficiency. I'll be driving 85-95 miles (winter vs summer) at 25-27 kWh / 100 miles in EV and 0.0-0.2 gallons of gas at 30-50 mpg.
     
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    Ok, wouldn't it make more sense to just state the electricity efficiency and ignore the gas?
     
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    drinnovation EREV for EVER!

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    Thanks for the report.. Just a comment about the volt range estimation. Its a highly filtered value with multiple time constants. While the new 2013's show instant kWh, the early ones like Jeff's (and mine) don't You can rarely see the effect of regen unless using a OBDII monitor. So while you may have gained 1-2 miles it might not show them.

    Once the car enteres CS mode (ICE) it will not count any miles as EV as they were effectively generated using the gas to generate energy (e.g. by climbing then descending a hill). Within a trip its trying to properly allocate miles to the underlying the source of your energy. The only want to get regen miles after the ICE to show is to literally restart the car. In CS mode, at moderate speeds, so maybe not so likely you'll see this, the ICE will be on for a while (and charge up the battery a bit), then off for a while. But you have to watch powerflow or lisen carefully to hear it as there is no change. All those miles, even when the ICE is off, are counted as CS miles.
     
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    Where was this?
     
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    He's getting much better numbers than I do with the same car. But then again, I'm a way less conservative driver.
     
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    Yeah, Jeff mentioned the same to me. And this morning I paid more attention to the display and the feel of the car and knew when it was blending battery & engine, or just running on engine, or just on battery.

    When I started out this morning, It said I had 38 EV miles. When I got to the top of the same hill, it had dropped to about 36. By the time I got to the bottom of the hill, it had gone up to 39 miles. So while in CD mode, the EV miles estimate will go up and down as expected.
     
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    This mornings update:

    I started out with a 38 EV mile estimate, but only got about 35 miles. Damn hills. The last 15 miles of the commute were gas powered. I'll have to go back and look at the specifics for exact miles and amount of gas burned and MPG stats. Or Jeff could just login to Voltstats and get me the info. :)

    This was a longer commute than normal because I had to go to the dentist, which luckily is in the same town as I live. This little detour added about 4 to 5 miles, all EV miles. Had I not gone to the dentist, I probably could have only burned gas for the last 10 miles of the commute.

    I did not use the climate control system other than just having the fan on and using the seat heaters.
     
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    One thing to consider is that if you know you are going to burn gas, you can use Mountain Mode to get ICE-based heat a bit earlier and use the ICE on the highway then turn off mountain mode about 15miles from your final destination. If you will need ICE on the way home, might not even turn off MM until you get off the highway close to work so you use the ICE while its already hot and save more EV for the return trip.
     
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    We call this hitting the HV/EV button in the PiP. :)
     
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    It's a bit different so be cautious with switching in/out of mountain mode. If your below the mountain mode SOC the engine will kick on and force charge to get to the moutain mode SOC, and you will take a large consumption hit in the process. That is quite a bit different than the PiP's HV/EV button.

    The MY2013 have a "Hold" mode that is closer to the PiPs HV/EV button, just holding the SOC for city driving.
     
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    I did another errand run during lunch after getting a full morning charge at work. This time I got 14.2 EV-only miles before it switched to gas. Lots of slower city driving helped.
     
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    I find mountain mode is most useful for mountains but also in cases where you are driving roundtrip past your EV range and can't charge along the way. For instance, driving from San Francisco to san Jose which is about 50 miles. When you leave on a full charge you can enable mountain mode and when the battery reaches around 40-45% charge level it will switch to gas while on the highway. When you reach your highway exit you change from mountain to regular mode and and that will give you about 15 miles of range to drive local streets in EV to your destination. On the return trip just drive in regular mode which will likely start off with a few remaining EV miles and then switch to gas until you get back home.

    In newer Volts the hold mode is similar to HV mode in the PiP and it gives you more control.
     
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    Another driving observation:

    The PiP has a notable motor/gear whir noise while driving around at lower city street speeds. The Volt has a little motor noise when you first drive away from a stop but it quickly becomes silent at speeds above a few mph.
     
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    I went directly to OnStar... It looks your hybrid mode was about 38-39 mpg this morning.