HHO KITS? What are they and do they work on a prius

They almost work as well as "snake oil" but snake oil works a little bit better.

 

I,m on the fence with this one. I'm not sure which one is best.

 

you guys should understand that comments like this is why people leave priuschat all the time for more informative forums.... leave responses to those willing to try or have tried... just my .02

 

yes. tell us what it is, what it does, and why it's inferior to snake oil.

 

Unfortunately HHO is a bunch of hooey. Mythbusters Forum • View topic - Water fuel -HHO conversion kits, running cars for free- SCAM

I'll have to look for the myth busters episode for this one.

Ah... Here we go...

Better Gas Mileage With Homemade Fuel Cell : Discovery Channel

 

there are only a few people i know who are willing to risk the chance of hydro locking their engine (too much hydrogen will not compress when needed and could cause damage).... HHO isn't really supposed to be a fuel only... it's more of an additive to help take up the "excess" room inside a cylinder of a larger engine (like the f150 i've seen it in)... therefore leaning out the fuel mixture. in a car like ours, where we use extremely small amounts of fuel anyway, it's hard to add anything to the mix without risking the whole hydro lock scenario. the f150 i've seen did get better fuel economy... but you have to constantly monitor the system in many ways... so the guys ford i've seen could end up being a "Found On the Road Dead" scenario without extra care....

example for our car... at 60mph, our fuel consumptions is somewhat equivalent to having a bead of water run from the tap that splits into drops somewhere around 6 or so inches away.. and that's our car on a bad day. larger vehicles like an f150 consumes fuel equal to a stream that doesn't bead at all... even on it's best day.

i don't take mythbusters serious on anything. there have been a few test i've seen them do and re do, where they botch the test because they are not pros in most of the fields they test.

in the end you're probably better off adding a turbo. I've chatting with a guy who has done this and does extreme prius mods (know of the prius limo?)... he used to be on this forum but left because everyone here whines like little girls, and ill educated people like to chime in on things they have no clue about... usually jumping the gun to shoot down theories. (if it wasn't for crazy ideas, we wouldn't have hybrids or electric vehicles because everyone always thought it wasn't feasible.... now it is, for a price... but the cheepos still complain)

 

Here's the good thing about threads like these. It gives a place for the scientifically illiterate folks to out themselves.

No offense, folks, but this should be a lesson that you shouldn't believe everything you hear. If it sounds complicated, it might be total BS.

 

i've seen the system work.

unfortunately the plates he used corrode rather quickly, so he spent a lot of time re building and arranging plates.

you can take your comment (and "like" for that matter) and shove it

 

I've never seen any rigorous testing indicating it works, or at least that it's any better than water injection, which has it's own set of problems.

 

It's definitely finicky and has its own problems. I'd rather add a turbo to be honest. (I know a guy with a turbo genII) The problems my old acquaintance went through with HHO was mind numbing at times... And dangerous

I'd rather not quote details unless I have them down 100 percent. (At least 90)... So I refuse to share details that I've seen... besides the bits I've tossed out already... If you can even call them details (all I've really said is plates and additive compared to true fuel)

 

Ohh.... I think I know what he's doing Al and lye, or some variant of that. Not really what most proponents of HHO claim, but still valid, like running your car on methane from trash or whatever. Having said that, I've never seen a valid HHO set-up, as in one that just splits water to make H2 and somehow increases energy efficiency.

 

Stay classy.

A long winded way of saying "I've got nothin'".

 

In reality, I can't break it down because I'm not the one with a patent pending on it. For me to even start going into details of someone else's discovery is illegal. I helped him create the CAD drawing for a more reliable milled plates instead off "off the shelf material"

I can say its somewhat similar to the aluminum/lye concept but its smaller and in the engine bay.

Apparently roflwaffle is smarter than you since he/she (don't want to assume anything) can look up concepts and relate instead of crying "snake oil" at anything you don't understand.

I'm one classy B. don't forget it. Haha
(Funnier to me since I'm a guy)

 

I've always said "If you have to tell someone you're classy, then you may want to examine your definition of "classy"".

 

The problem with this sort of device the gains versus the losses.

I will agree that hydrogen and oxygen fed into a petrol engine will improve economy (give out power).

The problem arises that it takes as much power to produce HHO from water by passing a current through it as it produces when it is burnt add the losses of the Prius engine drive train and generators and it falls flat.

If we could brake down water that efficiently we would have no need for petrol.

John (britprius)

 

For sure John. I've been hearing about HHO kits since the 1980's (and perpetual motion motors as well). The net result is always either an overall loss or zero gain. I have to agree with you and maestro8 on this one. If there were gains to be had, auto manufacturers would be all over this (as it would give them a competitive advantage).

In God I trust, all others must provide proof.

 

The classy comment is a joke of sorts.

There is a gain with his system. The fallback is the consumption and maintenance of the system itself.

Diesel is more efficient than petrol but not every car in the road uses diesel.

Turbo has its gains here and there over non turbo, but its only recently that car companies are making the turbo a semi standard option.

It's the maintenance of the system. Even though his system worked, its a pain to maintain it and rebuild it all the time.

So in the end, there is a loss... Of your sanity from reworking it all the time.

 

I think you are getting confused with the term efficient.

Diesel is not more efficient than petrol, they are two different fuels.

Diesel has more calories than petrol so gives out more energy per unit when it is burnt.

A turbo gets more air into an engine and that extra air requires extra fuel making an engine give out more power than a naturally aspirated engine because it is burning more fuel and air, some pumping losses may be reduced but this is marginal.

John (Britprius)