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2007 Prius Low Usage Concerns

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by joncars05, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. joncars05

    joncars05 New Member

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    I am looking to buy a Prius. I found a 2007 Prius that has only 22,000 miles on it. The first owner drove it only 18,000 miles in over 5 years and 7 months. The second owner had the car for 19 days drove it 4,000 miles and turned it in back in to the same dealership he bought it from.

    I test drove the car and got 34.4 mpg on a 50-50 mix of highway and city driving over 14 miles. The car seemed to be in good shape. The outside was good the inside was clean and the carfax report was clean as well.

    The car is being offered with a toyota certified pre-owned sticker. So it passed inspection and is ready for sale. The car is being offered for $16,700. I have talked the guy down to around $14,500.

    I need some help on the following questions.
    -Does the HV pack drain during the time of little use during the first owner's history? (if so how much did it drain? I looked on the main display while driving and the electric battery was 2 bars from the top when we started driving and ended up full when we stopped.) My main concern is that because the car was used so little the battery has aged 6 years already. So I would have to replace it soon (5-6 years of hard driving). I have heard stories from people on here about how a Prius that wasn't used often the used often only made it 92,000+ and 11 years before having to replace the battery pack.
    - Should I be concerned that the car has such low mileage? (Do you think the MPG is going to be lower because of its low use age)
    - Should I be concerned that the 2nd owner had it for such a short time yet drove it for a long distance? I tried to get the story on why the car was returned so quickly but never got a full answer.
    - I know the KBB value is right around the original price but should I be concerned about paying so much for a car that is already 6 years old? I think I can get him down $13,500.
    -Do any of you know of any extra concerns I should have about the car before I buy it?

    Please be honest about your advice. Thanks in advance!

     
  2. Patrick Wong

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    1. Limited usage by the first owner probably resulted in a short service life of the 12V auxiliary battery, but should not impact the high voltage traction battery very much.

    2. No, usually low odometer readings are considered good as long as engine oil and oil filter changes happened per the maintenance schedule.

    3. Who knows why the second owner turned it back in: maybe s/he didn't like the driver's seat, maybe s/he couldn't afford the payments, ?? I wouldn't worry about that if the car is in good condition now.

    I don't know why you only got 34 mpg - unless you were driving the car hard or were driving in a very adverse climate. Typically I would expect to see mid-40s or better mpg for a moderate drive covering that distance.
     
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    The mileage you got concerns me because it is lower than it should be, How did you determine your mileage, did you do a reset before you did the test drive? Otherwise you haave been given good advice by the previous posters. Good luck with your choice.
     
  4. SteveLee

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    At 34 mpg I would suspect the 12V battery as it is about the right age for replacement, unless it has recently been replaced and even then. With this age and miles the HV hybrid battery shouldn't be a concern since its still under warranty.
     
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    Like other's have written, the traction battery (hv) is of your least concern. 34 MPG could throw up a red flag unless it was bitter cold and you were running the climate control at a high setting. I too have to ask how you arrived at that figure. Did you reset the MFD? Also, if you sat with the engine idling for a long period of time with the heat on while it is cold outside after resetting the MFD, it is very possible to get a low reading such as that. Anytime the engine runs and the Prius is not moving, the average will begin to fall.

    IMO, the MFD really doesn't give you a good average if you would have reset and then driven only 14 miles. During the first 10 or 20 miles after a reset, the numbers do fluctuate quite a bit depending on the operation of the Prius.

    If you are really interested in the car, go back and drive it again. This time take it out and drive it at least 45 minutes to an hour. Also reset the MFD before you drive off. During really cold temps, it takes the Prius a good ten to fifteen minutes before it begins to give optimum efficiency (good MPG). If you still see mid 30's, I would then question the car. Normally, the Prius should give at least 40 unless you are sitting still and idling a lot with excessive loads on the engine. The average Prius driver should see mid 40's for an overall average. Remember YMMV.

    Ron
     
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    Also, check the tire pressures. Probably the dealer has them set to factory specs, but the car is sensitive to that aspect. Better mileage happens with higher psi, but you should still do OK with the usual mid 30's range of psi.
     
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    the 34 mpg was
    The 12v was replaced when they got the car back on the lot after the second owner took it back.

    The tire pressure was 2psi higher than standard. When I checked.

    I reset the trip counter as soon as i started driving. The temperature during the ride was 38 degrees but the car had been warmed up before I started driving it. I have noticed about a 5 mg drop off when temps get below freezing so I'm starting to think that it is the car itself. I drove around 65 mph on the HW for about 8 miles. Then around 45 mph on the streets to get to the highway. I'm starting to think that the MPG is just low and that is why it was turned back in after 19 days. The car has gone through an inspection and was Toyota Pre-Owned Certified as well so it "should" be good to go. I think that the low usage is what made the car get lower gas mileage than expected. But I could be wrong.
     
  8. SteveLee

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    What are the tires? Brand, model, size, and all info on the tires. What does it get, real time mpg, at 50 mph? There is obviously something causing a drag on the system. Does it run on only electric at 42 mph and below for about a mile before the ICE kicks back on? Is the heater set to Max heat? What does the dealer say about the low mpg?
     
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    Unless the Prius was previously driven enough to fully warm it up, sitting on a lot with the engine idling will not fully warm up the vehicle. At 38 degrees, it is very possible to get the mileage you did, most especially if the car has snow tires on it or tires that are non LRR tires.

    As I stated earlier during really cold temps, it takes the Prius a good ten to fifteen minutes before it begins to give optimum efficiency (good MPG). Furthermore IMO, the MFD really doesn't give you a good average if you would have reset and then driven only 14 miles. During the first 10 or 20 miles after a reset, the numbers do fluctuate quite a bit depending on the operation of the Prius.

    I suspect a combination of things have contributed to the outcome of your test drive. Some of them have already been mentioned in this string.

    Ron