The PIP will lose market share in 2013 to the VOLT and be overtaken by the Tesla

I just want it to have a 6.6kW charger. I'm ok with the Cadillac version having more swag and power.

 

Interesting....

Perhaps Toyota learned something from GM and Nissan about which markets are worth it and which ones are not...

 

trying to not sound like a PiP basher (but it will sound that way anyway) I think the PiP is only appealing to Prius owners that want a HOV sticker.

 

That still remains to be seen. GM's opinion with Volt Gen 1 was that the US charging infrastructure is insufficient and that most charging would be at home. It is questionable whether enough has changed in 4 years to make GM change their mind.

 

I do not know.

What the heck is wrong with doubling your mileage? (Something a lot of PIP drivers are doing)

My buddy doubled his mileage going from Prius to PIP, and he does not live in a state with HOV stickers for the PIP.

Even as a Volt owner I have to see that we are making "significant" improvements in mileage in the PIP. That is worth the extra money in my opinion...

 

I agree, the existing charging infrastructure is the 120V outlet in the garage, and it also happens to be off-peak. I would be happy if the 6.6kW was a $1000 upgrade option.

opportunity charging at 20 miles of EV per hour would bump me from 85% EV to 95% EV and increase my daily EV range to 100+ for the same 14 cents per day.

 

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I'm still wondering what was lost at Newark because of Sandy. How many Pip?
What will be the reaction if a significant number of buyer's find out they can't use all the Fed tax credit particularly the $7,500 credit.
The Pip is still the only versatile friends and family model out there. The rest are either big boy toys or commuter curio's.

 

For me, I get 13 to 16 miles per charge, and it covers 100% of my daily commute. Since I charge at work I could have twice the commute miles and still get 100% of my miles on EV.
If you look at the numbers, a lot of people are in this range.

However traditionally Prius owners, probably have longer than average commutes, and thus the desire to save on gas costs.

Mike

 

I'm guessing here, that it is because Mike is one person, not the market at large.
This is a great example of someone finding the right car for their needs.
I am surprised he never hits 62mph in Silicon Valley. However, if the PiP fits his drive that perfectly, more power to him

 

or those of us with 5-7 mile commutes!

 

The PIP fit our situation as well.. My wife works less than 3 miles away.. Never needs to fill up.. When we traded our 2011 Prius in for the 2012 the way the numbers worked we were making the same exact payment.. It was a no brainer!!

I also took a look at the tesla and the volt. These were my conclusions.. Tesla would take to long to get. Hated te volt rear seats.. Prius just fit in what we needed.

 

It's easy to avoid that by including data with the comment. Heck, I could make the very same statement about Volt, since we did indeed see a surge in sales in CA when the HOV model was introduced there.

Knowing how much Prius owners want more electric-only driving opportunities, more electric-only power, and a plug from countless discussions in the past, without any reference to HOV, that "only appeal" comment doesn't hold much water. Do some searches on the EV button. You'll find an abundance of examples.

We even had a number of threads & surveys discussing how much that battery & plug augmentation should cost. The merits of keeping cost in check verses offering lots of capacity generated lots of participation. It was a very popular topic prior to PHV rollout.

Now that there are PHV owners sharing detail of their ownership experiences, commenting on a wide variety of observations, interest is growing. Look at the volume of activity in the plug-in section of the forum. HOV rarely gets mentioned. It's obviously helps justify the purchase, but how many of the 15 initial rollout states even offer that?

Lastly, think about how many Prius fence-sitters there have been, those who found Prius appealing but wanted a little bit more from the electric side. That increase in battery-capacity with the addition of a plug as a reasonably priced package option, could prove just enough to push them over the edge.

 

The market share of the PIP and all members of the Prii family will depend on whether the competition and build a cost effective platform for their vehicles that also appeals to consumers. Toyota's margins on the PIP are better than most. It simply has to find the right sticker price for the PIP given the value added. I suspect in 2014 Toyota will boost the EV milage and perhaps redesign the exterior.
I consider purchasing a Cmax Energi. The prerelease data was very positive. However, I think Ford may have made a big mistake in terms of both build quality and its exaggerated EPA milage. To be honest the recent data suggests the fuel economy of the Cmax Energi is similar to that of a standard Prius. The graph below suggests it is the aerodynamics is a drag on the Energi's overall fuel economy. While the initial reviews on the PIP were not that great most owners are very pleased with their purchase. In the short-term it is all about PHEVs. The Volt is an excellent product. However, I think it the Volt is a significant upgrade compared to the PIP. The Cmax Energi is a direct competitor. However, at this point the real world MPG results are disappointing (MPG Cmax Energi ~ standard Prius). As a result, over the next 12 months, I think the PIP's market share will remain flat or increase slightly.



Is this an example of poor engineering on Ford's part?