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  1. Doug E B

    Doug E B Junior Member

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    March 5th. Trying to decide between the Prius 2 or 3.
    The 3 has solar roof and nav system but I have a Garmin with lifetime updates anyway. Question is, the Prius2 is $25,220 while the 3 is $28,060. Is the solar really all that good to use? NOTE my wife will be driving mostly around town.
    The dealer also has a 2012 Prius 5 but mpg?. The dealer is 3 hours away so I have yet to even see these cars in person.
     
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    Consider if you want to own for the long term any car whose dealer is 3 hours away. I just sold 2 cars of mine where the distance was half that and one of the reasons was availability of service if something went wrong. Not that the Prius isn't reliable and that most of the services it will need on a regular basis can't be done by any local shop. But 3 hours there and 3 hours back to do warranty work and then you have to sit and wait.

    But if that is where all the dealers are ....

    Go to the Toyota web site and compare the features and see if the price difference is worth it TO YOU.

    Do you park in the hot sun a lot and are you bothered by getting in to a super hot car and waiting for it to cool?

    Any other NAV is going to frustrate you initially because you are used to the Garmin and its interface. I like just being able to leave it in the car and not worry about it yet didn't pay for the top of the line NAV package.
     
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    How much is the nav system updates or are they free(lol)
    The dealer also has a prius 5 for $27k I might consider but the MPG is a big question.
    Reading Road and Track reviews, it suggests going with 17' rims for a better ride but I was under the impression the 17" tires get better mpg as rolling resistance and final gear ratio is changed.
    Found some nice wheels and tires (17") for $1200. Being in Idaho we do get snow n ice so 15" snow tires for winter and 17" for summer?
    good idea or bod??
     
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    The Nav on my wife's 2012 Prius 3 is dated at best, the backup camera is a nice feature for busy parking lots and areas with alot of kids.
    I'm not an audio guy so I can't tell the difference on the "better" sound system.
    The solar roof depends on your location and personal preference. I love the contrast of the roof and body even though it would be useless most of the time in Washington.
    There are many threads with MPG loss on the Prius Five or aftermarket wheels, use the search function for those.
    Toyota Corp are running aggressive rebates on 2013 Prii (Bought my 2013 Prius two @ 21,500 and leased my wife's 2012 Prius 3 Blizzard Pearl w/o roof for 24,000) go to site like KBB or NADA to find the dealer invoice price. Never start negotiation from MSRP. Sale prices should be below invoice or at least the same, that depends on your area (supply and demand)
    Good luck on your purchase :)
     
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    Found interesting artical about tire size vers fuel economy. Effects of Upsized Wheels and Tires Tested - Tech Dept. - Car and Driver
    And I was under the impression that 17" rims and tires were a better choice. I ran across a Road and track review of the Prius and they suggested the 17" for a better ride.
    Now I am lost for sure
    Hopefully making purchase on Tuesday.
    Still considering the Prius 2 vers the prius 3??
     
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    Solar roof is great. I like the NAV and it is integrated into the car. I can search a destination on my phone in Entune and upload my destination in my car and bam select. Those 2 things are worth the extra money since I use them often.

    Good luck and let us know what you decide.
     
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    It is really up to you to decide, mpg over performance on the wheels.
    Personally I don't like the looks of the 17s on the five also they are quite heavy @24 lbs I believe. The Road and Track study is a good reference. Keep in mind that, there are better LRR tires and lighter aftermarket wheels out there to minimize the affect on mpg. My inexpensive Motegi 17" Wheels @ 17lbs are only 1.4 lbs heavier than the stock 15" alloys' 15.6 lbs, and there are bigger wheels that are lighter than the smaller stock 15s to counter the heavier tires. The added 1" width on my Michelin Primacy MXM4 drives like a dream with much better handling especially in the rain (rains 24/7 here) and less road noise. If you are only dealing with light/infrequent snow, then you won't even need snow tires on these. I'm not going to go too much deeper in the subject because I'm a newbie myself and I'm not sure if you are a stock or aftermarket kind of guy. But if you are interested you can search PC member F8L, he did some detailed research on different tires/wheels' effects on ride quality and mpg. Tirerack.com also did some comparisons on different tires on handling and mpg.
    Good Luck in your decision and share some pictures of your baby when you bring it home:)

    mpg or performance/safety you be the judge:)
    Tire Test Results : Eco-Focused All-Season Tires: Do They Deliver on the Promise?
    Tire Test Results : Testing New Grand Touring All-Season Tires
     
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    LRR tires tend to have stiffer sidewalls that give a harsh ride.
    The Prius has just about the same final drive ratio with either 15 or 17 inch tires. That's because they use a thinner side wall on the 17 inch wheel. The 15 inch wheel uses a 195x65 tire where the 17 inch uses something like 205x55. The wider tire on the 17 wheel and the smaller aspect ratio give you a better handling car in the turns. The smaller aspect ratio normally causes a harsher ride.

    Navigation updates - something like $200 and they may not be updated yearly.

    How many miles do you drive a year? At 15K miles a year you might pay only 100 to $150 a year more for gas when using 17 inch tires. Some people gladly pay the difference for the extra confidence the 17 inch tires give them on curvy roads.
     
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    17" Tires improve handling, reduce mileage & ride comfort.
    NAV updates are NOT free from Toyota.
    Solar roof cooling benefits depend on your climate.
    Sit in one, make sure the seats are comfortable to the primary driver. If not, try the Four.
     
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    Found a better deal on Prius 3 = $25354-$25958 but in Montana not Idaho. Tomorrow going to Idaho dealership to actually drive vehicle etc. Can't wait to get the great MPG. At present w/ 2003 Ford Escape = 22mpg so Idaho Falls requires 14 gal of gas. With Prius it should be 6 gals gas.
    on the Michelin Primacy MXM4 = $696 for set of 4 tires(215/45/17
    Going to local Les Swab later today to check on availability and rims.
     
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    If you decide to buy one, just remember to vary your speed on the long ride back, it is not good for the new car if you drive at constant highway speed for 3 hours, just speed up and slow down now and then and you'll be fine. Good luck, I hope you like it:)
    Tirerack have the tire for 140 each +a $70 rebate. I got mine there + wheels with no tax to counter the $100 shipping cost. They also have a list on recommended installers so you can compare the cost to put them on. I heard Costco also has good deals on tires. Tires are like your mattress and TV, if you choose the one with the lowest price, you are going to regret it.
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    After looking at TIRERACK I see the Goodyear Assurance tires are a better choice for an all season tire than the Michelian MXM4.
    The Michelia MXV4 is perhaps better than the MXM4. We do get snow and ice here in Salmon Idaho. Local Les Swab store dosen't even carry Michelin or Goodyears.
     
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    My 2013 Prius two came with Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max, tirerack rated them pretty low on dry/wet and snow traction. I felt the lack of wet traction alright, and the road noise was louder than that from my Roadster! Also search by tire size, 15" tire = 195/65-15 and the 17" are 215/45-17 The choices of tires that comes in those sizes are also different. Meaning the height and width are different, on the 17" tires you get at least 1" increase on width, more tire on the ground=better handling. Don't worry about tires for now, one step at a time:) Unless there is no other place for you to get tires, please stay away from Les Swab's tires :eek: Just Google Les Swab + review , you'll see what I mean. They seem to collect random tires from different brands and give them cute names.
    BTW, if it snows alot there, then snow tires are the only way to go, no matter how good an All-Season tire is, it still has its limits.

    All the Fuel efficient (LRR) tires are rated low on traction
    Tire Test Results : Eco-Focused All-Season Tires: Do They Deliver on the Promise?
    Tire Test Results : Testing Grand Touring All-Season Tires
    Balancing handling and Fuel economy is purely up to you.
    Even if a LRR tire saves you 3mpg driving 15,000 miles a year you save a little less than 100 bucks. LRR's benefits are more apparent in stop and go local traffic, on the highway they are a little less beneficial.
    Fuel Efficient Low Rolling Resistant Tires
    Low-Rolling-Resistance Tires | Tires for Fuel Economy - Consumer Reports
     
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    Visited my local Les Swab and Toyo is what they carry most. The owner was very helpful and suggested that perhaps the car dealer could install the 17" rims and tires. Still contemplating going with all season as most residents are using them but some are using studded as well.
    While conversing with a friend who knew of a person who was broadsided by a Blazer while driving her Prius. The officers said she should have been killed had it been a standard car.
    On tires I am still researching. Tirerack can send me tires mounted on rims w/ sensors. This might be my route. Going to Costco on Tuesday the 12th and will check their prices.
    Won't be long now, leaving for Idaho Falls in 4 hours. Hopefully dealer will agree on my low price I want AND get the remote start installed today while we visit the museum if I purchase the vehicle today. Long drive home as I plan to vary speed between 40 - 60. Going to let my wife drive while I read the owners manual.
     
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    No, the Primacy MXM4 is a better tire than the Goodyear Assurance in most categories. The Primacy MXM4 is also better than the Primacy MXV4 which is an older design although they are designed for different applications (the MXM4 doesn't come in a 195/65/15 but the MXV4 does).

    For MPG, comfort and snow traction, the Ecopia EP422 rates high. Unfortunately it is not a good handling tire. It was good enough for me though.

    Check Costco and Discount Tire for the best deals. Les Schwab doesn't carry anything worth driving on.
     
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    Good Luck and have a safe drive:)

    Since it sounds like you have very limited local stores.
    note: To save money on TPMS reprogramming if you change out your tire/wheels often, it's worth looking at some programmable TPMS. Those can mimic the stock frequency so you don't have to bring your car back to the dealership to get rid of the annoying TPMS warning light everytime you switch from winter/all-season/summer. Some tire places also can do the reprogramming but it's better to get charged once and be done with it.
     
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    Well I am back and a "pearl blue" Prius 2 followed me home.
    I think I made a good deal. I talked them into putting 17" rims with energy saver tires. Trade in was little less than I wanted but.
    Out the door with taxes, etc (all the delivery charges, dealer prep etc)17" rims and energy save tires = $21750
    I pickup the rims n tires on Saturday installed.
    On the way home my wife drove and she surprised me. She never goes over the speed limit but she did last night several times. Kept the 3 hour drive varied 45-60 (ol hot rod mama went 73 several times-lol)
    We were concerned that the power button stayed on (a greenish white like a watch dial. I think the button has that luminous stuff like a watch.
    Boy this ting has more bells and whistles. Wife really likes the display above the dash.