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Misfire problem

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by peregrin, Mar 7, 2013.

  1. peregrin

    peregrin Junior Member

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    Hello gurus,

    I have found some good information here in the past, including some concerning misfiring problems. I figured I would post my specific problem and see what people think.

    At about 166k (2/3 highway miles), I replaced the spark plugs in my 2007 Prius. I wasn't paying attention when I left the store and had accidentally bought platinum plugs. About 1 week and 500 miles later, it started misfiring on three cylinders. Error codes were the normal misfire codes, plus one for the catalytic unit. I pulled the plugs to check if they were seated properly, check for carbon build-up etc, which is when I noticed that they were platinum plugs. I went back to Advance for iridium plugs and put those in the car. Normal mpg range. Three+ weeks and 1500-2000 miles later, it has started misfiring this morning. I haven't had a chance to check the codes this time yet. Plugs were always torqued correctly.

    I was careful when pulling the ignition coil/tube off the plugs and out. Still, I suppose it is possible I put too much pressure sideways, but that would mean that they are pretty fragile. Yes/no? If these need to be replaced, is there somewhere to buy them for less than +/- $100 each?

    Some history on the car:

    Purchased in October 2009 with 55k from Toyota dealer. Since then, regular oil changes, only using Mobil One or Castrol Titanium synthetic and either a Bosch or K&N filter. Every oil change is accompanied by a Seafoam treatment in the oil and fuel. Air filter cleaned regularly. No issues whatsoever until the misfiring problem.

    Any ideas? Anything else I should try?

    Thanks for any and all help,
    Kris
     
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    Why so much seafoam? Your destroying all that expensive Mobil 1 with that crap. Probably why your misfiring. This is tiny engine that hardly works. Your applying old school regimen to a modern car than doesn't need any of that crap.
    The Prius engine does not get carbonized. Stop using seafoam.

    If you were not originally chasing a misfire when you changed the plugs the misfire is caused by you not re-installing the ignitors back on properly. Your using some dielectric grease on the connections? You inspected the wells and the ignitor ends for corrosion right?

    You never mentioned the condition of the plugs when you took them out at 166K.
     
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    Thanks for the reply.

    The plugs that I took out looked to be in normal shape for having been used for a long time. Only white soot.

    No corrosion that I could see. Yes, I am using dielectric grease on the connections.
     
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    Find out which cylinder(s) are misfiring. Swap ignitors and see if that changes the cylinder that misfires. This would tell you if the ignitor is the problem.
     
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    I believe you apply oil to the K&N filter element. If so, I would not use it. It will contaminate your MAF sensor with oil. That's a bad thing. Not sure if that's related to your misfire, but just a FYI.

    Was the engine misfiring at all before you changed the plugs?

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    Do you have the code? Lets start with that first. Fuel trims would also be helpful.


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    Thanks for the reply, Roger.

    Engine was not misfiring at all before changing the plugs. As mentioned in the original post, I have driven the car over 110,000 miles with zero problems. I'm fairly certain the misfiring is caused by something that happened when I changed the plugs.

    Has the oil issue with K&N air filters come up before? I've never had problems in my other cars, but if it causes issues in Prii in general maybe I'll switch filters.
     
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    Thanks for the reply, maestro.

    The first time it misfired with the platinum plugs it was cylinders 1, 2, and 3. I haven't had a chance to check the codes since it misfired this morning.

    I had the same thought about swapping ignitors. Hopefully this weekend.
     
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    Thanks for the reply, Critic.

    If I remember correctly the codes were P0301, P0302, P0303. (Misfire on cylinders 1, 2, 3) I don't have any information on fuel trims at the moment. I'm hoping to find time this weekend to do some investigating. When it misfired this morning the CEL did not come on.
     
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    Interesting. Can you post what brand/model plugs you used?

    It is indeed odd that three cylinders would start misfiring immediately after the spark plug change. Did you damage any of the coil packs? Did you use a torque wrench to tighten the plugs? Sometimes when plugs are overtightened, the porcelain may crack and cause misfires.
     
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    I used Pulstar Pulse BE1I. The platinum plugs that I used the first time were the same plug, different tip. The platinum plugs caused the original misfiring and did turn the CEL on (after about 500 miles). The misfiring with the iridium plugs started after 1500+ miles (no CEL).

    I was careful to pull the coils straight up and out, but I suppose it is possible that I put too much sideways pressure on them on accident.

    Yes, I used a torque wrench. I checked the torque again a couple days after I put the iridium plugs in and they were still tightened correctly.

    I'm not sure what to think at this point other than I must have damaged a coil(s) somehow and it takes some time for driving vibrations to separate a connection.
     
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    That's your problem.

    Modern ignition systems need the proper OE/OES plug for proper operation. Gimmicky plugs such as Pulstars or Bosch +4 will cause the issues that you are describing.

    If you replace the plugs with a set of Denso 3324 or NGK 4996, your issues will probably go away for good.


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    I put the NGK plugs in shortly after Critic's reply to my misfiring problem. About two months and several thousand miles later, everything is fine, not a single misfire.

    Thanks to all who helped.
     
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    The original equipment NGK or Denso iridium spark plugs are intended for 120K mile service life and I have not seen any alternatives that would improve upon their performance.
     
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    Glad to hear that the issue was resolved.