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Chrysler refuses government request to recall Jeeps

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  1. 2k1Toaster

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    BBC News - Chrysler refuses government request to recall Jeeps

    Toyota per-emptively recalls vehicles and it gets plastered all over the news as the worst company in the world of all time ever. Chrysler when faced with a Ford Pinto like design decision refuses to recall the cars because it would be too costly to move the tank infront of the rear axle and not a peep is heard on any of my local or national news. I got it from the BBC.
     
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    I recall hearing about it on CNBC earlier this afternoon.

    I haven't read that BBC article yet, but IIRC, CNBC raised questions about the standard the vehicles in question were built to. IIRC, they complied w/the safety standards at the time they were built. And, it was unclear if there was data showing the fatality/severe injury rate from these rear collisions were higher than other vehicles in that era.

    CNBC I believe also talked a bit about the next steps and a timeline.

    The video at Chrysler Disputes US Recall of Jeeps Over Safety Issue looks what I saw.
     
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    Even if the vehicles were 100x safer than the average of vehicles built around that time, the fact is they are choosing to ignore a problem because it is costly to repair a bad design choice. They may not have any legal obligation to change it, so they wont.

    When Toyota went through the same sorts of things, it was 1 family that was killed in the Lexus and a string of copycats still amounting to less than the confirmed fatalities from Chrystlers problem. Toyota voluntarily recalled a bunch of vehicles and fixed the problem because they wanted people safe and to protect the brand name. Toyota continues to recall vehicles voluntarily and usually without a huge reason to replace items that in 1 rare case has been shown could do blah.

    That's the sort of company I want to buy from. Not the one that only helps you when it is forced to by the government wrenching its arm.

    And almost all of the Toyota events were plastered on the morning news, the evening news, the rolling ticker on news channels, etc. I watched MSNBC for a a couple hours today and heard nothing of it. The YMCA had Faux News on for a couple hours, saw nothing about it. Watched the evening news with family tonight, saw nothing about it.
     
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    I don't think Jeep is the only brand Chrysler has with the fuel tank location problem. Many car models they make have the same design. You can see the tank under the rear bumper the Chrysler 200 and Dodge Avenger, and many older models too.
     
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    As an aside, that may even be the case for the Pinto. It was possibly safer to drive a Pinto than a same size import.
    Ford Pinto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Nowhere does it say Chrysler is refusing the recall due to costs of the repair. The article says cost of the repair will be expensive. Those are two different things.

    Chrysler doesn't believe there is a safety risk. I don't know if that is true or not but we shouldn't incorrectly paraphrase the news.
     
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    I believe you're seeing the spare tire well. There's absolutely nothing in common between their current midsize cars and the ZJ and WJ Grand Cherokees discussed above.
     
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    You would think that they would better address it with their customers. After all, Safety is probably the number one priority of owners, followed by the time requirement and inconvenience caused by having to take the car in. One thing that has always annoyed me about dealers is how they may have recalls, but they only do the work Monday through Friday. I hate when I have to miss work. It is never the short amount of time they promise...which is so frustrating. I would rather sit around all day on Saturday when I don't have work commitments...usually.

    Regardless of if the issue does require a repair, or isn't serious enough, they can address it with a better statement.
     
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    corvair was a great car.:love:
     
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    None of the Jeep events have a gripping 911 call to go with them. Toyota had to be proactive in order to limit the damage from that negative publicity. People that had Toyota's with the sludging issue likely hold a different opinion on Toyota's response to fixing problems.

    Chrysler's stance seems to be that the cars in question aren't any more dangerous than similar models from that era. Which could be true. If the NHTSA disagrees, they can move to make it a mandatory recall.
     
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    It's been on CNN all day today.
     
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    I saw it on both local and national news (NBC?) here.
     
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    Just a little off topic, IMO VW is even worst for not recalling their cars in Australia, even though recalls were issued oversea, Drive.com.au - Volkswagen remains quiet on recalls, fixes

    There was a death which might be related to the sudden lost of power in a VW and currently being investigated. It is sad that it always takes some tragedies before the manufacturers will act on the issue.

    In the meantime, Toyota just issued a recall on the Prius re brakes, which I hope it does include Australian customers. I just thinking to myself, with all these recalls and denial of recalls, how bloody lucky I am that I bought a Prius instead of the Golf three years ago!

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    When Toyota did the brake pedal recall and anchored the floor Matt's it had to deal with a PR problem.

    Chrysler Jeep has a army of lawyers and to litigate may be cheaper than the recall but the PR issue may be a tall order.

    Although Chrysler Jeep moved the gas tank in front of the rear axle on newer models the perception in the public may be they got a problem. This may erode jeep sales moving forward.

    To bad since Chrysler us doing well. The Italians in executive management better get in the ball.
     
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    Nightly Business Report actually spent several minutes on this today (6/5/13). Ep will probably go up later tonight at Nightly Business Report. I'm guessing it'll be starting around the 16 min mark. The amount of time spent was pretty substantial given that it airs in a 30 min time slot and the ep only had about ~23 minutes of content, not including credits and ads.

    NBR is now owned by CNBC but still airs on PBS.

    They also earlier at ~the 15 min mark mentioned the 2010 Prius recall but didn't name the affected model years and decided to use the "nearly quarter million" figure (w/o saying that only 87K are in the US). They did show a Gen 3 Prius onscreen but also misleadingly showed unaffected Lexus models (e.g. RX and what looks like a GS).
     
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    You may be right. Why would they need square wells for round tires? Never said or implied commonality between cars and the Jeeps.
     
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    I don't see the problem here.

    I've been in Jeeps and Chryslers. If they were to burst into flames, explode and be burnt to a crisp, it'd be a massive improvement.
     
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