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  1. Richiemoe

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    Hello, my fiance's '02 Hyundai Accent recently had a timing belt break and the engine is a zero tolerance type... So, we are shopping around for a new car for her. She drives an hour to work each day in West Michigan. About half country roads, a little city and then half highway. She was getting about 35mpg with the Accent. So we started looking at used cars Saturday.

    We found some nice used Prius'. There was an '09 with 103k miles for $13k at one dealership but was a base model and 1 accident on the carfax report. It wasn't taken car of very well... But it did have all of its maintenance done. Then we found this '06 with the rear camera and aux in port accross town. So i am assuming it is at least a package/level 3? The car is from Florida and had 0 accidents. The original owner left a packet full of reciepts and a list of all of the maintenance. It was taken care of very well!!! Only 91k miles for an '06. That is low in my opinion. It even has the bug guard on the hood. lol We talked this dealership down to $11,500. I am just nervous because i don't know anything about toyota cars or hybrids... I LOVE my Pontiac G6 GTP that gets 21MPG! LOL i can work on my car, i don't know what all i can do on this Prius though... It is a sharp car, lots of extras!

    What does everyone here think? She is suppose to sign the papers on the car tonight. Should she get an extended warrenty? I am nervous about the battery or electric motor going on her... I don't get extended warranties because I never have problems with my cars... Knock on wood! haha People i know that own a Prius love theirs, but they have newer models and lower miles. These Hybrids are still new and i don't know how they will hold up long term...

    All input would be greatly appreciated!

    Thank you for your time,
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    No reason to suspect the prius couldn't go another 100k.

    Do change the transaxle fluid if you end up buying it, though. It's due for it by now.
     
  3. Richiemoe

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    Ok, thanks for the heads up! I'll check the records to see if it was already done. The previous owner went above and beyond the normal maintenance that is needed!
     
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    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    It's a great car with excellent reliability.

    However nobody is clairvoyant and it is a car with almost 100K miles. It could die tomorrow. Looking at the statistics though, you should get another 60K to 200K miles out of the original battery. Heat and discharge is the enemy of batteries so mountainous terrain and hot climates are enemies of the traction pack.

    The 2 electric motors will more than likely not go out. The whole PSD is very reliable with nearly zero failures in the over 5 million sold.

    Many Prii owners buy another to replace the one they have or as a 2nd, 3rd, etc car. I think that speaks more.
     
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    Thank you for that 2k1Toaster! What about an extended warranty? Have you gotten it? Even used it? I know it is a gamble...
     
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    When I bought my '04 back in 2009 I got the extended warranty. I paid ~$1200 for it and used it one time when the water pump went out. I'm about 4000 miles from it expiring, so unless something BAD happens in the next couple of months I figure I'm short about $600-$800 on the deal.

    When I bought an '05 for my wife a year later with 108k miles on it, I didn't bother with the extended warranty. Haven't regretted it a bit.
     
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    I bought my 05 with 96k last October. Never looked back. I expect to get well over 200k and maybe a lot more. Visit the 200,000 mile club. I think they may have a 300,000 mile club now. Taxis are reporting 400,000 before retiring them. When you're driving it below 42mph if it goes into electric only with the cruise on and stays there for about a mile before the ICE kicks on, the HV battery is likely good to go. These batteries can now be replaced with re-manufactured or even used from salvage yards for 800-2,000. And with your mechanical abilities you won't have any problem learning how to work on most things in this car if you have to. Drive and enjoy the 50+ MPG! Welcome to the fold.
     
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    MJFrog: Thanks. I'm contemplating having her get the warranty... We put an offer on our first home 2 months back, its a short sale, so we are trying to not spend more than we need to... Hmmm... I'll have to see the different options. Should i get it from a Toyota dealership or does it not matter? We found this car at a used car dealership...

    SteveLee: Thanks, what was another question i had. How much are replacement batteries... That helps a lot! I think i could learn it pretty quick, just nervous of messing something up... I had one dealership say i would have to bring the car in to get the "Maint Required" sign off, and another tell me i could do it myself. Then i called an actual Toyota dealership and they said i can myself. LOL Napa brand synthetic oil with a platinum filter is less than $30 if you wait for deals and buy in bulk. Synthetic at a dealership is $60-$80 i usually find... ehhhh!

    What does ICE and PSD stand for? I tried a few quick searches, but not what i was looking for. Tough to do while at work...
     
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    Also, do you guys trust your guages, or still divide the miles driven by the gallons of gas used? i have a hard time trusting guages, but i think my fiance usually likes to keep track of her mileage each week, not each tank...

    We are taking this car from GR, MI to Charlestown, SC for July 4th. Excited to really test it out and see what kind of mileage we'll get. Cheaper than renting a car and probably better mileage than a rental as well!
     
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    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    If warranties were beneficial to customers, they would not be sold. Warranties are sold because in most cases the amount you pay for the warranty is more than what you would pay for a repair you have while under the warranty. But you could be that one rare instance where something really bad happens and the $1K warranty will save you a $4K repair. And when that happens to you, it's invaluable. In the majority of cases, not worth it though. The peace of mind however may be worth it as there is no value that can be attached to that. The other option is if they let you roll the cost into the payments, it might be a good option if you are someone who never has any savings and if something does come up would be unable to fix it.


    If you pull a used one from a junkyard or eBay the prices range from $200 to $800. They are so commonplace now that there are many that are totalled in junk yards because of normal accident damage. It is a common car with that being a common part.

    If you buy a re-built battery from a company like Reinvolt, it is about $1500. The further you are from them or an installer the more expensive it is because I believe they still do core charges. They want your bad battery back so they can fix it. A "bad" battery is really a good battery with 1 or 2 bad cells. So you could replace them whack-a-mole style for $30 a piece on eBay. They do it with large volumes so they can capacity match much better.

    If you buy the battery new from Toyota, it is about $2200.

    It takes less than a minute. Just hold the odometer button while you start the car, and done.

    Generally we recommend 0w20 in all Prii now, just so you know.

    ICE = Internal Combustion Engine (Petrol Engine)
    MG1/MG2 = Motor-Generator 1/2 (Electric Motor 1 and Electric Motor 2)
    PSD = Power Split Device (The Planetary gearset that makes up the "transmission" but is nothing like a transmission or CVT, it truly is an engineering marvel)
    HSD = Hybrid Synergy Drive

    The HSD uses the PSD which consists of the 1 ICE, MG1, and MG2.
     
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    ICE = Internal combustion engine. PSD = Power split device.
     
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    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    Dealerships love to underinflate tires, so pump those things up to 40PSI after you get it.

    Also the only truly accessible gauge is the fuel gauge. All the rest are available on the CAN bus for those that care, but the car takes care of everything. Only when something is very wrong will it tell you with a big problem warning indicator and usually a message on the MFD.

    You cannot do a tank-by-tank miles driven over gallon used in the 2nd generation North American Prius. Reason is that you do not have a gas tank, you have a gas bladder. In a "normal" car, this works because you know the size of the tank and it never changes so once you fill it all the way up, assuming you fill it to the top the next time as well, you know how many gallons are in there. With the Prius, it has a flexible bladder that holds a variable amount of fuel. I find my MFD to be almost dead on. When the car says 50mpg, I am actually getting 50mpg. For GenII's it seems like there is a +/- 3% display error depending on which particular car you have. It uses the actual amount of fuel injected into the cylinder over lots of cycles.

    You can verify however by doing lots of tanks, like many months worth.

    As to when you need to fill up, do so when the car tells you to. 2 pips left, you should look for a gas station. 1 pip left, try to seek out a gas station and fill up. Blinking last pip, stop what you are doing and go to the gas station.
     
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    2k1Toaster: That was very in depth!! Thank you so much for taking the time to write that up! I feel a lot more confident now about her buying the car! I called the local Toyota dealership and they said for $90 they would inspect the entire car for us to make sure it is a good buy, since the car is currently at a used dealership... It is also the dealership that my neighbor takes hers to and says they do a great job!
     
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    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    If you take it to a dealership with the Toyota Techstream subscription software, then they can pull the individual hybrid battery pack module voltages. That will give you the high and low voltages. The further apart the highest is from the lowest and either are from the mean, the worse the condition of the pack. Once the delta becomes 300 millivolts, the car throws a code and the pack is "bad".
     
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    ah, gotcha! i'll be sure to ask about all of that! thanks! I'm assuming it is expensive to update the naviagation software?
     
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    Very expensive...if the updates are available at all. I'm talking in the neighborhood of $200 if it's even available for an '06'. For $200 you can get a very nice GPS system with lifetime updates.
     
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    Run away. Typical life span of the battery is 10 years. You are close to that. Large fee to get a replacement Battery from $2,500 for rebuilt installed to $3,500 for new. With the high mileage she drives you will be having some large repair bills ahead of you. The car starts burning oil at 100,000 miles. Transaxle can be a costly repair. Inverter is another. This car is an accident waiting to happen.

    I suggested get a New Priuc C or Yaris or a Honda Fit. Costs low 20's and very excellent financing. She Is driving a lot of miles. New car would be best. Even if she took a 5-7 year loan she would be ahead. Just budget for a payment. A new car he will have a decade of worry free driving. The used car is an accident waiting to happen.

    That is My opinion. I know if is different than the status quo.

    A new Honda Fit with a warranty is $15,000. Hello that is a great deal. Not much more than a 7 year old car with a lot of miles. Go test drive one!

    Yaris $14,000

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    I heartily DISAGREE with JMD above ^^^^.

    Total mileage on a Prius is not normally a factor in how long it will last, rather, it's the climate it runs in that effects it the most. e.g. a Prius in Southern states is more likely to experience battery failure due to heat, than one driven mostly in northern states (e.g. Michigan). Of course, a clogged battery fan will play an important role as well.

    So far as 10 years is 'typical life' for the Prius battery...the only 10 yo Prius batteries currently are from GEN I models as well as the 1st year GEN IIs. The GEN II battery is a big improvement on the GEN I version. Replacement costs will be closer to $1500 for rebuilt to $2500 for new from Toyota.

    The transaxle almost NEVER fails...there are exceptions, but in general--almost none.

    Reports of Prii starting to burn oil at 100,000 miles? Post links! I haven't seen any in a well maintained Prius (such as the one you're considering).

    Inverter failure? Rare...not impossible, but rare.

    Now, the $11.5k for an '06 is another matter. That's your call whether it's worth it or not. Is the car Certified Used? Then maybe ok.
     
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    JMD 2012 Prius 4 Solar Roof

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    Certified is less than 60,000 miles. This car will not qualify on that alone.

    Reinvolt is $1,800 plus shipping both ways plus tax plus labor to install

    Notes on Gen 2 burning oil

    Gen II Burning Oil? | PriusChat
     
  20. Richiemoe

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    I get what you are saying JMD. It does seem more like worse case scenarios though... I saw the Yaris, but not as good as gas mileage... The dealership we are looking at buying from is a regular used dealership. I drove the car today and just got back to work from dropping it off at a Toyota dealership by my work that said they will go through and check the car inside and out for $85. They said they do that a lot for other dealerships all the time. I looked at that oil leak link you posted, but it also said that it was a freak engine crack. I'm hoping that isn't too common with these cars! LOL I think if the battery goes bad, we can find a used one and i think i could install it myself or with a little help... lets hope! ha

    I did see a link on the toyota dealerships page for this car: I have a -1 likes, so i guess i can't post links yet... LOL but it is a 2013 prius c. I found it at kooltoyota's website under the new car Prius section for $19.4k. But my question is, how much do you guys actually get back with the tax credits? Her last car got about 34MPG, about a quart of synthetic oil a week, and averaged about $200-$300 in repairs every six months. Tires, breaks, filters, etc included with repairs. I am wondering if a new car would be a better idea; extend the warranty to 72 monthes for a cheaper payment? The problem is i just got engaged on Saturday and she wants a wedding next June. And we should be closing on our first home end of this month or July, which we are combing 2 small rooms into 1 master bedroom. So we need to watch our money... After everything, we can pay the car off faster... So many decisions!!!! LOL The car above is a Prius C and the car we are test driving now is a little larger regular Prius hybrid...